Oh ok I was worried I was missing a bandwagon.

I love a good bandwagon!

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Dibs on the violin.

I don't see him either. I'm left perplexed by the sudden influx of people angry about him. Did a pro play him really well in a game recently or something? So confused.

Yeah, I'd be honored.

Just sent you a friend invite- let's get you that 1k win.

I am pretty interested in a backline stun that involves skillshot targetting.

This is really hard to pull off though. At one point, I had a boomerang attack that fired out from Xerath, then reversed direction and stunned the next champion hit.

The complaint was that the stun was *too delayed*. So next I tried a line missile that rooted (think Leona's sword attack). This seems to be playing out pretty well. Except for the fact that it's not a stun and a root that turns into a stun via being hit by a 2nd spell is just dumb, because the target can't move.

I didn't want to seed the community with too many ideas, for fear that a good idea might get washed out by me suggesting a direction too soon.

That's an interesting thought--that the game feedback loop for supports plays is less clear (it's clear when you do an awesome job as an ADC and get that double kill, less clear when you save every single person in a dragon fight with amazing clutch shields and CC). I guess victory in the skirmish is its own piece of feedback, but that's much less granular.

I think there's definitely celebration design space open, not just for supports. Though for supports, some of my favorite replays are the ones where a support and an ally do amazing things (like the recent Madlife Thresh play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUBq64GtZzo).

I will never join you... because I love pictures of ducks SO MUCH.

IronStylus made a great post that I wanted to quote as it is related to Xerath:

I can't actually vote in these polls.

That being said, this thread is now about 7.

Sounds like animal abuse to me O_O

7.

I think I need to clarify my postion here. While I am no real place to have an opinion on Girls Generation Ahri, as it's not on my cultural or personal radar, I have no problems with it being a thing is that's what appeals to players and isn't simply catering to a niche. If it ain't a niche, fantastic!

I think people my have been confusing my having no positive feelings as thinking I had some sort of strong negative feelings. Again, if it's something that makes sense for the character, and it's what the fans feel is valuable. By all means, let it be so.

J4 is way too serious, he hates horsin' around.

came in to this thread expecting greatness....

Wait can I change my answer to:

\w

Can I get a 'heck yea, regex'? 8)

Ok, I'll bite.

It is the letter... *

Wildcard!

I wonder if you're overvaluing the power of those jungle buffs. Sure you'll feel slightly weaker for not having them, but by no means are they necessary for Nunu's overall power. He used to be a strong invade jungler, and we buffed that with Consume dealing more damage. Jungle Nunu doesn't run low on HP past his first back - even with the new Consume - and the new jungle consume buffs are just icing on the cake.

Quite literally we buffed jungle Nunu even without the consume buffs and you're saying that he feels weaker when his buffs are off - sure, but in comparison to old Nunu, that's simply not true!

10% HP, 1% of HP dealt as damage, and a 15% movement speed buff for 3s on minion kill does not differentiate between mega strong Nunu and weak Nunu. They make a difference, certainly, but at max level Consume they're up for 4 minutes!

Two quick things!

You do realize that Nunu simply has to use consume on a jungle monster to get the buff - he does not have to kill it? That means Nunu in any lane can run to the jungle to consume something for a buff, and if he's feeling particularly generous he can even use it to help a teammate with a jungle creep (or leashing). So the consume buffs help in that regard. If you never go to the jungle as a lane Nunu, then you're literally ignoring the high objective control value of Consume, which is a problem in itself.

Second point, I wonder if you're misconstruing variability here for general lack of interaction. The thing about lane Nunu was that he has no real lane interaction in terms of 1v1 mechanics. You'd get snowballed to the face, and then he would heal back your harass with a consume. Sure he works in lane if your idea of working in lane is to come out of it equal or ahead of your opponent, but in terms of gameplay he was just a big rock that sat there.

I think live design in general is alright with pushing a champion to the jungle (see Udyr) if that champion's power levels and gameplay design flow better form the jungle. Old Udyr and old Nunu in lane used to just sustain without much interaction, while new Udyr and new Nunu work a lot better in the jungle and their power flow lends better to that. It's one thing to reduce variability if a champion is fun and interesting and interactive in a role (unless that "fun" factor is being super strong and crowding everyone out), but it's another to think that flat non-interaction is a form of viability.

But still, it's not like lane Nunu is completely dead, or do you think these changes really obliterate him?

I gotta say, some weird stuff gets dredged up every now and then. This is definitely that.

Again guys, I just want to emphasize that this thread is a purely personal curiosity.

Not asking on behalf of Riot, despite the reddit thread title ;P

Edit: that said, please continue sharing! I always enjoy the opportunity to better understand the player base

hey folks,
Thanks for all the passionate responses. It'll take some time for me to comb through them.

Either way, I am not a designer. Just curious if everyone had the same sorta nostalgic love for it that I do

evidently not ;P