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After nearly 2 years, I've finally put this game down.

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Boglioni ?? Senior Member
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06-17-2011

hahaha I understand your point and I respect it. altho I must say I disagree. it's strange, but actually I've observed the exact opposite of what you are describing: the original champions all have one specific role, while all newer champions have hybrids, come complicated set of abilities. lets take a look at some original champions: annie is pure mage AP, allistar is pure tank, tryndamere is full AD autoattacker. now lets take a look at some newer champions: orianna is a support/caster hybrid, vayne does multiple types of damage, maokai is a mage tank, yorick is... i dont even know what he is...

oh also there's the tanky dps's. like a bagillion of em.

 
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Ashir Lightner ?? Member
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hahaha I understand your point and I respect it. altho I must say I disagree. it's strange, but actually I've observed the exact opposite of what you are describing: the original champions all have one specific role, while all newer champions have hybrids, come complicated set of abilities. lets take a look at some original champions: annie is pure mage AP, allistar is pure tank, tryndamere is full AD autoattacker. now lets take a look at some newer champions: orianna is a support/caster hybrid, vayne does multiple types of damage, maokai is a mage tank, yorick is... i dont even know what he is...

oh also there's the tanky dps's. like a bagillion of em.
Now let me give you a list:

Annie: Tank, AP
Soraka: Tank, Aura Support, AP/CDR(Mass Heal), Assault(AP/Magic Pen)
Alistar: Tank, AP
Taric: AP, AD, Tank
Janna: AP, AD
Kassadin: Anti-Caster, AP Carry, Attack Speed(Yup I stole these from his bio)
Yi: DPS, Assassin, AP

Yes, some may be weaker builds then others, but the fact that they can(or at least COULD) use completely different builds kinda invalidates your claim. But then again you're right about the newer champs being sorta built hybrid.

 
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Morello Morello's Avatar ?? Lead Content Designer
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06-17-2011

This a really good thread full of some solid discussion.

We're going to discuss how to be more cognizant of effective nerfing to the right areas and not to kill off-builds if possible. Things like Vamp Vlad and Locket Gragas will still be hit, but things like AP Ezreal and Tank Gragas will be treated with more respect.

Thanks for the feedback everyone

 
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Slymerz ?? Senior Member
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not to kill off-builds if possible.


yeah.... little too late you think

 
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ninjaipod ?? Senior Member
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I mean, in what scenario should a nigh-unkillable character with high base damages exist, who also has an initiation ability? If we left this, how do you expect this to be something that could be balanced?
That is a great point. One which should be remembered every third week when a new tanky DPS graces Summoner's Rift.
had to quote this, because it's so true.

I also agree with the guy that said something about teemo they basically killed ap teemo to fix 'split push' teemo.
I blame the 'wet' guy.

 
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Ashir Lightner ?? Member
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06-17-2011

There is a old saying Sly, Better Late then Never. and another is Don't Look a Gift Horse in the Mouth. If Riot says they are going to try to treat off builds with more respect, let's thank them for it, instead of bashing them about how long it took.

 
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nicosharp ?? Senior Member
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This a really good thread full of some solid discussion.

We're going to discuss how to be more cognizant of effective nerfing to the right areas and not to kill off-builds if possible. Things like Vamp Vlad and Locket Gragas will still be hit, but things like AP Ezreal and Tank Gragas will be treated with more respect.

Thanks for the feedback everyone
cool beans - I'd love to work with you Morello.. Just a victim of mortgage.

 
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SamuraiPanda ?? Senior Member
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This a really good thread full of some solid discussion.

We're going to discuss how to be more cognizant of effective nerfing to the right areas and not to kill off-builds if possible. Things like Vamp Vlad and Locket Gragas will still be hit, but things like AP Ezreal and Tank Gragas will be treated with more respect.

Thanks for the feedback everyone
That sounds like just the motivation I need to check back someday and see where the game has gone. I look forward to enjoying LoL again in the future. Thank you Morello.

 
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Dreamcleaver ?? Senior Member
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06-17-2011

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What was the counter play? What options did the enemy team have (outside of counterpicking champions and summoner spells, since most of our games are Normals).

Being gimmicky is fun. It's also generally abusive.
So allow counterpicking in normal games?

 
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Ragnar Draconus ?? Senior Member
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had to quote this, because it's so true.
You beat me to it.