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Poor Support Service, Teamed with inability: A Personal Case

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07-15-2011

In order for you to get suspended for leaving, AFKing, or by the Tribunal - it means you need to be a statistical outlier. The automated (and user moderated) systems are designed in such a way that a low number of incidents will not impact you negatively, and you were given several less-harsh punishments prior to the suspension in question which should have served as a strong warning.

For you to have been suspended means that you've ruined the experience for enough players that the system is going to send you a message to fix the problem, (a suspension).

We don't want to suspend anyone, we don't want to ban anyone. What we want is for everyone to have a really positive experience - but some people make it not possible for others to have one.

The argument here is not whether we should be banning for leaving games, idling, or other detrimental behavior - but at what thresholds should we should be issuing what punishments, and I believe that in this instance justice was done.

We tune the system constantly to have the most positive impact (reduction in leaves and other negative behaviors) while reducing the negative impact as much as possible (suspensions and other punitive actions). We do this by analyzing mountains of data based on changes that we make - and we're constantly trying to find the best balance.

Since the introduction of these systems, leavers in games have decreased dramatically.

Ultimately - since we have a lot of data, it's a debate of facts on our side, and a debate of opinion on yours, which means that our support team going back and forth on this would not be a super effective use of time.

I would much rather have our support team focus on people who actually need assistance, thus we've created and procedures to not have them spend a lot of time on issues such as these.

 
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07-15-2011

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Originally Posted by Pendragon View Post
In order for you to get suspended for leaving, AFKing, or by the Tribunal - it means you need to be a statistical outlier. The automated (and user moderated) systems are designed in such a way that a low number of incidents will not impact you negatively, and you were given several less-harsh punishments prior to the suspension in question which should have served as a strong warning.

For you to have been suspended means that you've ruined the experience for enough players that the system is going to send you a message to fix the problem, (a suspension).

We don't want to suspend anyone, we don't want to ban anyone. What we want is for everyone to have a really positive experience - but some people make it not possible for others to have one.

The argument here is not whether we should be banning for leaving games, idling, or other detrimental behavior - but at what thresholds should we should be issuing what punishments, and I believe that in this instance justice was done.

We tune the system constantly to have the most positive impact (reduction in leaves and other negative behaviors) while reducing the negative impact as much as possible (suspensions and other punitive actions). We do this by analyzing mountains of data based on changes that we make - and we're constantly trying to find the best balance.

Since the introduction of these systems, leavers in games have decreased dramatically.

Ultimately - since we have a lot of data, it's a debate of facts on our side, and a debate of opinion on yours, which means that our support team going back and forth on this would not be a super effective use of time.

I would much rather have our support team focus on people who actually need assistance, thus we've created and procedures to not have them spend a lot of time on issues such as these.
Make one's leaver data available, it seems every leave now I get banned for a day, which is really gay no one else has to deal with that.

 
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In order for you to get suspended for leaving, AFKing, or by the Tribunal - it means you need to be a statistical outlier. The automated (and user moderated) systems are designed in such a way that a low number of incidents will not impact you negatively, and you were given several less-harsh punishments prior to the suspension in question which should have served as a strong warning.

For you to have been suspended means that you've ruined the experience for enough players that the system is going to send you a message to fix the problem, (a suspension).

We don't want to suspend anyone, we don't want to ban anyone. What we want is for everyone to have a really positive experience - but some people make it not possible for others to have one.

The argument here is not whether we should be banning for leaving games, idling, or other detrimental behavior - but at what thresholds should we should be issuing what punishments, and I believe that in this instance justice was done.

We tune the system constantly to have the most positive impact (reduction in leaves and other negative behaviors) while reducing the negative impact as much as possible (suspensions and other punitive actions). We do this by analyzing mountains of data based on changes that we make - and we're constantly trying to find the best balance.

Since the introduction of these systems, leavers in games have decreased dramatically.

Ultimately - since we have a lot of data, it's a debate of facts on our side, and a debate of opinion on yours, which means that our support team going back and forth on this would not be a super effective use of time.

I would much rather have our support team focus on people who actually need assistance, thus we've created and procedures to not have them spend a lot of time on issues such as these.
Nice post. The problem's just that it's far easier for someone to see a leaver in a game they're in then to see all the games that might have had leavers otherwise, but didn't.

 
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07-15-2011

that makes me sad

 
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07-15-2011

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Since the introduction of these systems, leavers in games have decreased dramatically.
All else aside, this is the single greatest effect I've had in-game in the last 4 months. In the last 500 games played, I've had maybe...1? leaver in ranked and only a couple of duoQ trolls. There's rage that goes down every game but hey, that's what /ignore is for.

 
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07-15-2011

Not sure about all of your post but I completely agree with the part where I would rather have someone leave than troll my team the entire game.

 
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Originally Posted by Pendragon View Post
In order for you to get suspended for leaving, AFKing, or by the Tribunal - it means you need to be a statistical outlier. The automated (and user moderated) systems are designed in such a way that a low number of incidents will not impact you negatively, and you were given several less-harsh punishments prior to the suspension in question which should have served as a strong warning.

For you to have been suspended means that you've ruined the experience for enough players that the system is going to send you a message to fix the problem, (a suspension).

We don't want to suspend anyone, we don't want to ban anyone. What we want is for everyone to have a really positive experience - but some people make it not possible for others to have one.

The argument here is not whether we should be banning for leaving games, idling, or other detrimental behavior - but at what thresholds should we should be issuing what punishments, and I believe that in this instance justice was done.

We tune the system constantly to have the most positive impact (reduction in leaves and other negative behaviors) while reducing the negative impact as much as possible (suspensions and other punitive actions). We do this by analyzing mountains of data based on changes that we make - and we're constantly trying to find the best balance.

Since the introduction of these systems, leavers in games have decreased dramatically.

Ultimately - since we have a lot of data, it's a debate of facts on our side, and a debate of opinion on yours, which means that our support team going back and forth on this would not be a super effective use of time.

I would much rather have our support team focus on people who actually need assistance, thus we've created and procedures to not have them spend a lot of time on issues such as these.

Obviously this is not the case in this situtation. What is a low amount of cases? I have a very low leaver rate percentage, yet I still found myself ban. You say you have statistcal facts, but none the less, so do I. I can easily see my leaver amount over my games played to find my percentage of leaving. To accuse me of having no factsand all opinionis just wrong. Your facts are far more shrowded and kept behind closed doors than mine are with no good reason. In fact, I supplied all accurate information in this post and you labeled opinion.

I appreaciate the response very much but to say that I have no facts supporting my case is doing just that, just saying it. Unfortunately, there are many companies that handle these issues far superior to yours, yet make far less amounts of money. Automated system + Tribunal AFK reports tries you in two different areas. Both times it was an automated system that has kicked me off of the game before even getting to the chat screen. Why include 2 systems for one thing?

For some reason, I also highly doubt that you have less leavers on this game. The summer has brought out more leavers than ever before. It is unfortunate that you think Justice was done, while I have such a low leaver percentage (since I am not allowed to have access to my point value) and that you think your support team provided any real assistance. You need to hire people that understand this game and know how to better treat your customers. How can you merit that I don't need assistances when I had legitmate, not trolling questions? That is terrible business practice.

 
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07-15-2011

This is such passive aggressive responses from you lol. This obviously happens alot with you, power outages lol. Blaming poor software on his framerates LOL.

 
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This is such passive aggressive responses from you lol. This obviously happens alot with you, power outages lol. Blaming poor software on his framerates LOL.
Again I have a 2% leaver percentage which is the best information I can come up with since Riot doesn't offer support for their own system. Poor software does cause poor framerates, and while I'm not sure your background in software engineering but I do some programming work on the side. I respect all posts, support and disapproval but I would appreciate if you read the posts.

 
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07-15-2011

I had the same issue with riot when they gave me a bugged 25 leaves because someone ELSE Q dodged during the first day of ranked. Apperently almost every other person who played ranked on the first couple hours of its release got this bug, but I emailed them about it and got the same ****. Not nearly as bad as a ban over something that stupid, but still.

They don't actually read the support Emails carefully, they have pre-written responses that they just send out to each one regarding its topic. (I sent an Email with a topic like, server has been poor lately, but the content was all about back dooring; just as a test. I got a response Email that was very generic about server instability.)