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I'm convinced Riot doesn't care for what they've done to supports

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Shurelia Shurelia's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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08-08-2011

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Have you considered, in regards to problem 2, adding AP Ratios to things other than damage and healing? Less tangible things like the stat boosts that are tacked onto a lot of these moves?

In regards to problem 1, eventually you reach a point where having someone not farm at all is simply a suboptimal decision.
Yes we actually discussed that in our last support meeting. I think it is a very fun idea.

It solves some of the sustain problem, but doesn't solve the "supports don't want to farm" problem.

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just add another lane
I think you are on to something here..

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All we need for more people to support 0 CS support is more support-specific items. (Couldn't have put more "support" in that sentence if I tried.)

We need a Wriggle's Lantern for support. Currently the only real goal is Shurelya's, so... after that there's really nothing but the super expensive late-game items a support can only dream of. That's when people start complaining that they should have farmed and come rage on the forums.

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The problem "supports not wanting to farm" is a deeper problem that stems from the nature of what support is.

Since resource is limited, it will be optimal to place the resource onto champions that you want to support. In almost all cases with the exception of end game (full items) it is optimal to stack resource onto a single target... its sort of the same reason why you try to feed kill gold to a specific person when possible.

The other solution (which I've heard brought up again and again) is to increase the scaling on supports to cause them to want to farm, but does this really solve anything?

Problem 1: Support Ratios become OP and the person who doesn't want to farm shifts to another character in the lane. Ex: Suddenly tanks/tanky dps don't want farm and they go bottom lane instead to babysit the support who wants to farm.

Problem 2: Adding damage ratios that are strong enough to want support to farm causes supports to be only better at what you don't pick them for.

The only solution that has been tossed around that I think would work is split resource sharing in duo lanes, but its a really big change that really will flip a game mechanic upside down.


Of course if anyone has any good ideas, I'm all ears.
I have a small idea, how about assists on creep kills (since a good support will help the carry farm by taking down the waves health a bit) would result in a small portion of bonus gold being given for the creep assist?

Say 3-5 gold per creep? not a huge amount, but with a gold per build it all adds up and allows the support to itemize pretty well.

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Boo hoo. Truth hurts.
Derpy doesn't read whole threads I see.

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Shurelia Shurelia's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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I feel a lot of the developers of LoL just seem to be out of touch of what is fun and what isn't. They just over nerf things and this causes new problems. Being a Fking ward bot isn't fun. Just make the game 4v4 and both team get a stupid support bot that just runs around pooping wards everywhere.
I don't get it, because I don't think thats fun either. It's kind of the point of the remake.

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Of course if anyone has any good ideas, I'm all ears.
Passive gold gain on Q, W, E, or R?

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08-08-2011

I don't think people understand the point of these nerfs... Shurelia isn't sitting there going, "I can't wait to nerf all support until they are utterly useless!".

Instead of spending 30 minutes sitting in the middle of the lane last hitting because nobody can take a turret since someone is always in lane, the idea is to reduce the flat healing in exchange for other bonuses (Armor/Magic Resist). The idea is so the game doesn't drag on for an hour before people reach bases.

You're job isn't to carry, just take whatever CS you're carry can't get (if they're out of lane for example), get Heart of Gold, Philo Stone, 1 gold per 10 sec Quints and get assists and control dragon and Baron thanks to your wards...ta da. Essentially it feels like they want to make support more like Janna (shield and small heal on Ulti), which is fine. They just don't want the 30 minute farmfest...

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I really don't like the 0 cs waiting in the back doing nothing minus pressing a few buttons.

The skill gap between a good support and an OK support is not very big, which I don't like.

It's boring to play, and you don't feel very good when you play well, because you think to yourself "gee, anyone coulda done that."
There are ways to make supports do things other than making them have to farm. Remember when Sona was used more to zone and harass with her Q before the fact they took Soraka forced you to max W all the time to counter sustain? Those were good times.

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