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I'm convinced Riot doesn't care for what they've done to supports

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Shurelia Shurelia's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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08-08-2011

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Originally Posted by Pragz View Post

We need a Wriggle's Lantern for support.
Hextech Chicken! If it ever comes out... it hasn't be extensively tested yet.

 
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JonneyMarket ?? Senior Member
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08-08-2011

Add more enticing items for support. Like support wriggles, and then have phreak say how awesome it is for support to farm and then boom, everyone's mind is changed. It really is as easy as that.

edit: another idea is give supports a secondary roll which requires a certain amount of farming to use, yet make it good enough that it would be a hard decision to sacrifice your own gold.

 
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EuroTirigon ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Frost Walrus View Post
There was never a time in competitive play where supports farmed a lot other than when Sona was broken OP and she was ran as a solo lane once or twice.
Sona farmed is still amazing.



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*sigh*
Can I marry your avatar?

 
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08-08-2011

All this talk about being a ward/heal bot makes me wonder why more people don't play Janna

 
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JacKetamine ?? Senior Member
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08-08-2011

I'm not a big support player, but I really, really enjoy playing Taric in his current state. That being said, when I go up against a Janna in bot lane, It's extremely easy to win my lane. I have a heal. She has a shield. My spell is simply better. Even if there is a much better partner with the Janna (say, a really good Caitlyn), we can still out-harass them. I heal all of the damage away, no matter what; all it takes is standing back for a couple cooldowns, and it's done. Janna, on the other hand, has to know what to shield and when. If she shields her partner, and we decide to attack her instead, her sustain is crippled.

All that being said, I don't think we can simply change heals into shields and call everyone even, but I also don't think we can simply nerf heals into a Kayle state, give them a little bit of utility, and call everyone even. The issue is more complicated than either side is willing to admit... at least that's how this perspective sees it.

 
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08-08-2011

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Originally Posted by Shurelia View Post
The problem "supports not wanting to farm" is a deeper problem that stems from the nature of what support is.

Since resource is limited, it will be optimal to place the resource onto champions that you want to support. In almost all cases with the exception of end game (full items) it is optimal to stack resource onto a single target... its sort of the same reason why you try to feed kill gold to a specific person when possible.

The other solution (which I've heard brought up again and again) is to increase the scaling on supports to cause them to want to farm, but does this really solve anything?

Problem 1: Support Ratios become OP and the person who doesn't want to farm shifts to another character in the lane. Ex: Suddenly tanks/tanky dps don't want farm and they go bottom lane instead to babysit the support who wants to farm.

Problem 2: Adding damage ratios that are strong enough to want support to farm causes supports to be only better at what you don't pick them for.

The only solution that has been tossed around that I think would work is split resource sharing in duo lanes, but its a really big change that really will flip a game mechanic upside down.


Of course if anyone has any good ideas, I'm all ears.
Heals apply a dmg debuff on the person receiving the heal OR they recieve a debuff that makes them take more dmg

this fixes spaming heals whenever they are up
making supports make more decisions
it also encourages counterplay in the lane

You could even make it so heals can target enemy players, when used on them it puts a healing debuff on them for X amount of time.

News flash: ALOT OF PEOPLE LOVE PLAYING PASSIVELY

 
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Shurelia Shurelia's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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There are ways to make supports do things other than making them have to farm. Remember when Sona was used more to zone and harass with her Q before the fact they took Soraka forced you to max W all the time to counter sustain? Those were good times.
Amen brother.

 
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All this talk about being a ward/heal bot makes me wonder why more people don't play Janna
Cause Janna loses to Soraka/Taric/Sona because they can heal.

 
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I have a small idea, how about assists on creep kills (since a good support will help the carry farm by taking down the waves health a bit) would result in a small portion of bonus gold being given for the creep assist?

Say 3-5 gold per creep? not a huge amount, but with a gold per build it all adds up and allows the support to itemize pretty well.
Eh? All that would do is give the support more gold for not farming. How does that help anything?

 
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08-08-2011

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