I don't think it's that solo queue is more valued. I think more people solo queue because it's more convenient than arranged 5's. It's much harder to get 5 coordinated people together and on at the same time. That being said, when you do get a premade going with the right people, games do feel much more rewarding because of the level of teamwork you can achieve. IMO.

Illusia any more info on the premade 5s ladder for season 2? I heard they were completely changing it and making it more rewarding to play premades, due to being ranked as a team, rather than an individual.

Its actually because in premades, you have to take the blame for your own mistakes instead of being able to rage at strangers to make yourself feel better.

Sorry, I have no idea...

I'm sure Marcou will fill us in if there are changes

a 5v5 2k+ ranked elo player can either be a really good player or an average player with friends that are good players and carry him.
a solo queue 2k+ ranked elo player is more probable to be a good player that can carry himself and the others while capable of handling his own, so logically if he can do good alone, he can do good accompanied.
plus human nature is selfish.

Your whole post could have a meaning... if you weren't basing it out of totally erroneous facts and logic....

People don't VALUE Solo Queue more than pre-made rating, it's just that premade playing means :

- having an existing pool of people to play with (small enough to allow you to make a team with team's reflexes/tactics and such, big enough to have people online as much as possible to form 5)
- play only when there is 4 other members of your team online AND with the roughly 1 to 2h to play (including queue time at high ELO where they often have more than 45mins queues)


On the other hand, specially for people that ONLY do that like HotshotGG and a few others, solo queue is available all day long, without any external constraints added on top of the already existing queue times, meaning it's easier to go with it.

And it helps train yourself too, even if not to the extent of the premades.


All of this comes mainly from the fact there is no way, at the moment and for the foreseable future, to easily organizing "pugs" premade ingame, due to the total lack of working community communication feature.

Riot did the exact same thing every dumb company out there do everytime, trying to reinvent fire and ending up with apoorly done, poorly performing, lackluster solution instead of using existing solutions that are functionnal and easy to use/implement and have proven a million times they can manage the loads and needs of a virtual community (or millions of them ).


So in the end, since you have no way to organize premade "on the fly" without resorting to third party websites or having a huge list of people you are used to play with that you spend 15/30mins to poke and chat to form a premade, people solo queue.

Far less hassle for *roughly* the same output (at least once you reach an high enough ELO).

It doesn't mean it has more value, just that it works easier and faster, and the trade for it isn't that much worse a situation in the end.
(oh and you can always give ts2/3,vent, mumble info in pregame chat to others if you've got one you can easily use you know, even if only 2/3 people join it's already a good thing).

i agree with illusia

see I don't buy this because ELO is so much less inflated in 5v5 arranged there is only a single 2k player. Which makes me realize how little first hand experience you must have in 5s... so what makes you think this?

The 2+k queue for solo queue is already often above 30/45mins sometimes above 1h.
Premade 5v5 would make it EVEN worse at that level (basically there is roughly maybe 20 teams on the NA server at that level, probably not much more in EUW, less in EUE, and you would need 2 of them there at the same time to launch a game, while NOT being already playing another game.

The probability of that, specially added on the timezones problems makes it unprobably to happen before the LoL scene grow drastically in ranked and premade ranked, which won't happen soon.

So until then, you'll have far more solo queue than anything else. Because it WORKS.

Only way to change that is to get an easy tool in the client to form premade for normal/ranked and maybe there will be more 5v5 premade ranked queue, but even then, going solo/duo queue will be much much much more effective and faster, just due to the numbers.

I agree completely. The level of reaction we could achieve and plans we could make far exceeded anything I've ever seen in solos. Convenience is always a factor.

But I can't help but feel we are arrogant as a culture. To believe that we must single handedly prove ourselves without help, seems to be a cultural issue. As the EU arranged team scene is much more competitive and alive. I envy them, as I'd really like to see us move in that direction. But the incentives necessary to push us against our culturally conditioned nature must first exist. People have guilds in MMOs all the time with far more people doing dungeon runs. That we could have so much trouble finding 4 other similar skill players to play with regularly is beyond me.