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Guliette ?? Junior Member
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10-20-2011

Playing a game of Dominion, and we are around 300 and they are at around 15. I say /all gg since at that point it's kind of a given it's over. None of the opposing team says anything (Probably my first indication something's amiss)

Their score hits 1. It stops. At this point, they may have had 3 points, we may have had 3. I can't honestly remember. However, nothing we did changed their score. Killing minions? Nada. Capturing points? Nope. The other team claims "This happens all the time". No, it's never even come close to happening on any game I've ever played.

This is wrong. It feels like people at Riot purposely interfering with the normal progression of a game. Now understand I lose a lot. I don't mind losing because a team is superior. I don't even mind the come back win. I mind that suddenly, there is no way we can stop anything. We are destined to drop from 300 to 0 and they.. stayed.. at 1... the entire time.

This sets all kinds of questions off in my head. How can I ever play a ranked game if I can see that something like this can happen? How is it fair to the team I was with, that after we worked our butts off, it all ends because of a glitch or purposeful interference? I would like to BELIEVE it was a glitch, but the INSISTENCE by the other team that "this happens a lot" is like the guy with cookie crumbs on his face swearing he didn't eat any.

How can we ever know if a game is fair if something this blatant happens? Hell, I can't even sit there and enjoy the vids of games anymore when I know that a subtle "shift" in AD, HP or any number of things could have influenced the entire game without being noticed. I trusted Riot to keep their fingers out of their own pie, now I'm not sure I can. The Summoner's Code is great; does it not apply to people within the company? Is it "Have fun, but not at other's expense, UNLESS you work for us?" My whole team was baffled. We were so certain we were going to win that when it went to "pause mode" on their nexus, none of us were even near our capture points.

I'm bitterly disappointed. I was unhappy enough that after some referrals I didn't even get credit for one, but I could believe that was a glitch. This is just wrong on many levels. And I'm sure, CERTAIN, that a few of you are going to post here it's normal. Then exactly how does the game work? When I'm looking, I see the things it says to hurt their nexus. If I'm doing those things and the THING DOESN"T MOVE, what am I supposed to do? I don't have a magic button.

Riot, keep your people from interfering with games. Work out bugs in a closed environment or someplace that is not going to impact the fun and enjoyment of other players. Zealously stamp out this kind of thing because it's going to lose you players, and it's going to lose you your game if enough people are exposed to it. At this point I'm torn on if I just never play again or just don't spend any money on Riot Points until I can trust that a normal game isn't going to be tainted by interference.

And for everyone else? Watch for these things. Do not just pass them off. Post about them. Let the game we play KNOW we want it to be a fair game, that pits player's intellects, wits, and skills against one another. Not their ability to insta win.

 
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Nekrogen ?? Senior Member
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10-20-2011

It does happen a lot. You need to control 3 or more points to win the game. Champion kills do not count past a certain amount of points (100 ish?).

I've had 2 games where the enemy team lost with 1 point. I like late game champs

 
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Guliette ?? Junior Member
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10-20-2011

I cannot be certain if we controlled 3 or they did at the point they dropped to 1. However, I am certain that I was killing minions at that point and it was not affecting their score whatsoever As in, it should have dropped faster.

 
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Nekrogen ?? Senior Member
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10-20-2011

Past that 100ish threshold, the ONLY way to decrease their score is via points. Minion and champion kills will not make the enemy lose points past this threshold. You probably lost a crucial point just in the nick of time, and their late game champs prevented you from being able to take anything back. Like they said to you: it happens all the time.

 
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Guliette ?? Junior Member
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10-21-2011

Okay, I suppose I haven't made this clear enough. In the grand sense of, people win the lottery "all the time" and football teams come back from 40-0 scores in the last half to win the game "all the time", I'm sure this would be considered a regular event. So here's what's bothering me:

People do not see other people win the lottery all the time. The people are geographically in different locations. People win contests "all the time" but I don't know a great deal of people who do, not even with the huge online communities I'm a part of.

What you're positing here, is that a team, who was getting CRUSHED by over 300 points, was somehow mysteriously able to rally EXACTLY when their score hit 1 point, was able to hold that 1 point until the other team, which had been ANNIHILATING them, was down from 300 to 0, without the likely benefit of any communication other than typing.

Mathematically, the odds are enormous, that JUST as it ticks down to 1, this sudden turn around happens. This is on top of human nature, ESPECIALLY in this game, which is to give up when you are getting such a job done on you. And this rally all happened... because of some carries? And this is a "common event", which states that this incredibly unlikely scenario somehow happens on such a regular basis that people don't even consider it rare?

This would indicate one of two things really:

1: There is a "pause bug" in the Dominion system that makes that last tiny digit last longer so teams have a rally point. This could be true, but considering I've watched my team drop from 20 to 0 in about 20 seconds, seem unlikely.

2: That whatever was done is done so regularly as to entirely strip away the absurd statistical probability of it and make it a common event. Remember there is a difference here, between something that CAN happen and something that DOES happen, and often.

Thus, either way, it deserves to be looked into. If I came up to you and said that I've won the lottery jackpot, twice, and then proved it, you would be seriously questioning the validity and the sanctity of that lottery system. This is a similar situation. If this happens "often" then there is the possibility of an exploitable bug. It is possible that the system is not working as intended (I'm sure that comebacks are possible. But for it to happen that dramatically, that regularly? Is indicative of a problem). For all I know, it could be that besides three or four "groups", no one else has seen it happen and that probability was just overabundant and the other team was actually not saying that KIND of comeback happens "all the time" but some KIND of comeback.

However, the manner is suspicious. It wasn't WOW that was such an amazing comeback, woot! It was as if they already knew it would happen. Isn't that odd? I think it is.

 
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BROSEPHIROTH ?? Senior Member
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10-21-2011

You are making **** up. Do you even know how the mode works?

 
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Minrad ?? Member
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10-21-2011

maybe they were feeding off the archangel's sona with no hp

 
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Ron Howard ?? Junior Member
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10-21-2011

Don't say "GG" until it's really over, it makes your team stop and relax, and then you lose important objectives.

 
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Nilat ?? Member
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10-21-2011

Mathematically impossible? All the enemy team has to do to win, regardless of the nexus health, is hold more points than you. From the wiki:

Dominon is a capture-and-hold game mode where two teams of five players compete on the Crystal Scar Field of Justice to destroy the enemy nexus. The nexus is untargetable and has 500 life points. These life points can only be diminished by controlling more Capture points than the enemy team: the more points you control, the faster life points are lost by the enmy nexus. When both teams have the same amount of capture points, neither nexus will be damaged. Killing an enemy champion also reduces their nexus' HP by 2. The nexus' HP will stop depleting life by champion kills once it reaches 125 HP to avoid victory by "ninja capping" (Capturing points just to deplete the health of the nexus instantly) or by "winning kill" (Associating victory by finishing off enemy champions)

 
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10-21-2011

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Originally Posted by Guliette View Post
Okay, I suppose I haven't made this clear enough. In the grand sense of, people win the lottery "all the time" and football teams come back from 40-0 scores in the last half to win the game "all the time", I'm sure this would be considered a regular event. So here's what's bothering me:

People do not see other people win the lottery all the time. The people are geographically in different locations. People win contests "all the time" but I don't know a great deal of people who do, not even with the huge online communities I'm a part of.

What you're positing here, is that a team, who was getting CRUSHED by over 300 points, was somehow mysteriously able to rally EXACTLY when their score hit 1 point, was able to hold that 1 point until the other team, which had been ANNIHILATING them, was down from 300 to 0, without the likely benefit of any communication other than typing.

Mathematically, the odds are enormous, that JUST as it ticks down to 1, this sudden turn around happens. This is on top of human nature, ESPECIALLY in this game, which is to give up when you are getting such a job done on you. And this rally all happened... because of some carries? And this is a "common event", which states that this incredibly unlikely scenario somehow happens on such a regular basis that people don't even consider it rare?

This would indicate one of two things really:

1: There is a "pause bug" in the Dominion system that makes that last tiny digit last longer so teams have a rally point. This could be true, but considering I've watched my team drop from 20 to 0 in about 20 seconds, seem unlikely.

2: That whatever was done is done so regularly as to entirely strip away the absurd statistical probability of it and make it a common event. Remember there is a difference here, between something that CAN happen and something that DOES happen, and often.

Thus, either way, it deserves to be looked into. If I came up to you and said that I've won the lottery jackpot, twice, and then proved it, you would be seriously questioning the validity and the sanctity of that lottery system. This is a similar situation. If this happens "often" then there is the possibility of an exploitable bug. It is possible that the system is not working as intended (I'm sure that comebacks are possible. But for it to happen that dramatically, that regularly? Is indicative of a problem). For all I know, it could be that besides three or four "groups", no one else has seen it happen and that probability was just overabundant and the other team was actually not saying that KIND of comeback happens "all the time" but some KIND of comeback.

However, the manner is suspicious. It wasn't WOW that was such an amazing comeback, woot! It was as if they already knew it would happen. Isn't that odd? I think it is.
I dunno what odds you're pulling out of the air, but I've played roughly 60 dominion games (I'd check on that if I weren't in pre-game lobby), and I've had it personally happen several times.

Sometimes it's with three or four points instead of one, but that's about the same to me. I've even had a game end 0-2. This isn't some feat of monstrous luck; it happens, as people repeatedly say, all the time.

It's a good thing. Stop moaning about it. Your team couldn't take a point from them; that's not the game's fault. It's yours.

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