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NessOnett ?? Senior Member
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11-30-2011

This is one of the main things that always bothers me about balance debates. And it's reached a peak with Volibear.

It is physically impossible for a champion to be overpowered based on kit alone. It's all about the numbers.

This can be seen time and again. Look at Xin Zhao. On release, people were "Zomg! He can jump on your face and knock you up! Impossible to escape him! And if you try to fight him he nukes you and becomes tankier with his ultimate. Kit so broken, need to take away that jump." Or Heimer "Turrets so overpowered, he can farm lanes he isn't even in while fighting in others. He can push two lanes at once! Turrets need to be removed, or at least have a range on them!" back when he had three.

Saying Volibear's kit is overpowered is just stupid. Imagine if his slow was 20% at all ranks and his W did a third as much damage. Would anyone be complaining about him being overpowered? No(because he would be useless at that point), but his kit would be exactly the same. Just with some minor number tweaks.

Also take a look at base stats. How many times has an overpowered or underpowered champion been put to a pretty good place with just some base stat modifications? Talon was cried about so hard on release until they nerfed his mana regen on an AD assassin, and suddenly he doesn't have infinite mana anymore and he's good. Despite people, on his release, saying his kit made it impossible to kill him, too much mobility, etc etc.

Hell, I remember a year ago hearing people talk about Tryndamere. Always saying "Chicken such a bad skill, the slow is not going to hit anyone and the AD reduction doesn't matter because anyone standing to fight you is going to lose the DPS contest anyways." Now that he's popular again I see "Zomg! AD reduction soooo OP!!!" When the skill saw next to no change in that time. People seem to just like trying to use anything at their disposal to make points, contradicting themselves constantly.

 
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Beantown410 ?? Member
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11-30-2011

Hey, im the best player in LOL and if this new champ kill me he has to be OP to the max!! NERF NERF NERF!

 
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TuaRal ?? Junior Member
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11-30-2011

Thank god finally someone who gets it.

 
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Derdun ?? Member
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11-30-2011

Remember when Irelia was OP? and morello said she was a problem SPECIFICALLY because of her kit? And Xin was nerfed over and over, he's in an AWFUL place atm, heimer? never heard anyone qq bout his turrets, maybe his rockets, but not his turrets. Talon could litterally spam his rake without running out of mana the entire lane phase. along with it hitting for ridiculous amounts.

Voli need's to be looked at in some way or another. His passive is mundos ult with half the amount and twice the cd but no real cost, his Q is singed' fling with a shorter cd, his W is basically garens ult, and his E is one of the strongest slows in game along with being pretty lane phase changing with the minion fear.

 
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facetious ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by NessOnett View Post
It is physically impossible for a champion to be overpowered based on kit alone. It's all about the numbers.
Is it?

Physically?

PHYSICALLY?

 
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OmySpy ?? Senior Member
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11-30-2011

I agree. Unless a champion has ridiculous moves like:

Q- Marks all nearby enemy champions for 10 seconds
W- Instantly kills all marked champions.

then a champions abilities alone really don't make them powerful. It's about how much damage they do, or how much CC they can put out (time-wise), and these things can be adjusted quite easily.

 
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Xetios ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by facetious ca View Post
Is it?

Physically?

PHYSICALLY?
Lmfao. +10.

 
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Lion Style ?? Senior Member
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People who haven't even played him or against him are crying OP based just off what they think, not what they've experienced.

 
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OJ191 ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by OmySpy View Post
I agree. Unless a champion has ridiculous moves like:

Q- Marks all nearby enemy champions for 10 seconds
W- Instantly kills all marked champions.

then a champions abilities alone really don't make them powerful. It's about how much damage they do, or how much CC they can put out (time-wise), and these things can be adjusted quite easily.
That isn't kit. It's still numbers. Q marks targets, W consumes the mark to deal damage. That is the kit. The numbers are that W instakills any marked target.

You know, instead of W being : "deals 100% of current HP in true damage to marked targets" It could be "deals 50% of current HP in true damage to marked targets" on a 600 second cooldown. And that would be pretty balanced.

 
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OmySpy ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Derdun View Post
Remember when Irelia was OP? and morello said she was a problem SPECIFICALLY because of her kit?
The problem with Irelia's kit is that it was hard to balance the numbers. If you gave her high numbers, her kit made her very powerful. It isn't that her kit is overpowered, as lowering those numbers a certain degree can make her pathetic. The OP is saying that a champions kit isn't the reason they are overpowered, it is the numbers. Irelia could be OP or UP, but her kit makes it so balancing her numbers is like balancing a plank on a spike.