1 aoe would make the ult useless

This is a pretty good thread - thanks for keeping it constructive!

We've definitely been watching Shaco, but haven't found anything that sticks yet. Shaco has some fundamental problems that we want to address, but we also want people to feel like they've still got the "trickery" that most Shaco's have.

Ah ****- nerfs inc.

Oh good, back to Shaco being terrible soon

He's a soloQ champion and wins games because of mistakes of his enemies. Basing balance on SoloQ alone would be really stupid.

Eh, not necessarily. We've been playing around with his ult too. We've got a bug-fix coming that will make buffs copy onto clones (probably not the next patch, but should be soon after). We've also fooled around with the idea of letting Shaco "switch" between his clone and him, if that makes sense (note: we are not doing this).

My point is just that we're trying out a lot of different things to see what works. We don't think Shaco is "overpowered" - more that he's just "anit-fun" in several situations. We want to remove that Toxic gameplay while retaining (or possibly increasing) his power level and fun gameplay elements.

He's permabanned in solo queue because it's solo queue. Look at his tournament play, it's not like he's seen every game and when he is picked he doesn't punish positioning as hard during laning because better players keep track of him, or at least have a rough idea of when to back off.

In other words, I still have to ban him every game?

Increase jitb CD by 1 second at early levels, decreases by 1 second at later levels. No more instant lvl 3. Shaco is balanced for the first half of the game and is more helpful later. Might be a bit strong when it comes to dragon/baron control with this setup, but that can be offset by better warding from enemy.

As our Red said, it's a tough mix to get right.

Nerf irelia.