Originally Posted by Canti
Speaking on tiers is awkward because the most famous one i know of is well hated (elementz) but I couldn't fathom jax being higher than tier 3, he's a middle champion not exceptionally good at anything, but not exceptionally bad.
new jax will likely maintain the same team fight presence he had before, but with a much stronger early game and a defensively flexible build
reason to take him? he has a reliable (non-ult) stun, and a jump/flash, like a lee sin with a stun where his slow should be.
he will also still be one of the best 1v1's in the game and a great anticarry
I believe you are still missing the point of my worry, and of the thread, but still I'll answer you..
Elementz tierlist is a tierlist where he explains AD Nidalee is tier one just because she has great sustain and poke, but she has no initiation, no soft OR hard cc, and her heal becomes literally useless lategame in fights and does nothing.. Yet that's not the point of this thread so I'll leave it there.. but I dont trust his tier list in my humble choice of just not doing so.
Old school jax could take top against a wide variety of ad champions, such as the "op" tryndamere, and after a couple dodges and a really earlygame safe farm, he could become a 1vs1-2vs1 or even 3vs1 beast lategame. He WAS a counterpick champion, but one of the best indeed, as he could counter AD based autoattack teams and utterly destroy them.
Saying he didn't bring much to the table is like asking yourself why picking Kog if Cait had a better earlygame, or Graves would just burst you easier, or vayne would become much more scary.. Yet, Kog is picked against enemy teams that tend to go full on hp and/or tankyness and need to be shred down by his true damage and long range.
And, as you said, the new rework jax is a bad version of some tanky dpsers like Lee, Skarner or Udyr, which pack atk speed, gapclosers, soft and hard ccs, free attribute passives AND damage steroids (or great damage overall due to skill spam, as is the case of Lee, paired with huge utility).
EDIT: Sorry for the really long answer, but I still feel I need to add this >.>
Another point that made you WANT to pick Jax was where the enemy team's itemization couldn't be guessed from the start of the game, as Jax can build AD AND/OR AP and still be really REALLY scary and strong lategame, against almost any teamcomp, and STILL building counterpicks.
Old jax was pretty much forced to build Thabis, and then had free way to do of his build what he pleased. New jax loses that tabhi requirement, and instead the rest of his build becomes pretty standart to be useful and viable..
PS: I don't remember how the fuk thabi was written,btw.