This is something i HATE, and i've been seing from the past.....what 6 patches? jax was one of the only DPSers (if not the only one) that had the ability to be built pretty much anyway you pleased, and still be viable, now you just HAVE to have around 4k health, an atma's, a trinity force and you're done; that is honestly the most GENERIC build i've seen, it became boring to the point where no matter if you have a Kog Maw in the back with 200AP and 200AD and a 2.1attck speed, he will die first because they have the sustain of a tank....

Not sure if you actually read my post.. but I clarifyed that I agree with his E remake almost 100% (maybe the cd could use a positive tweak).

My problem is that by killing his passive, they actually nerfed the build choices Jax would allow you to do towards lategame, and they just crafted another boring tanky dps metagolem, just as about 70% league champions are at the moment.

I believe you are still missing the point of my worry, and of the thread, but still I'll answer you..

Elementz tierlist is a tierlist where he explains AD Nidalee is tier one just because she has great sustain and poke, but she has no initiation, no soft OR hard cc, and her heal becomes literally useless lategame in fights and does nothing.. Yet that's not the point of this thread so I'll leave it there.. but I dont trust his tier list in my humble choice of just not doing so.

Old school jax could take top against a wide variety of ad champions, such as the "op" tryndamere, and after a couple dodges and a really earlygame safe farm, he could become a 1vs1-2vs1 or even 3vs1 beast lategame. He WAS a counterpick champion, but one of the best indeed, as he could counter AD based autoattack teams and utterly destroy them.

Saying he didn't bring much to the table is like asking yourself why picking Kog if Cait had a better earlygame, or Graves would just burst you easier, or vayne would become much more scary.. Yet, Kog is picked against enemy teams that tend to go full on hp and/or tankyness and need to be shred down by his true damage and long range.

And, as you said, the new rework jax is a bad version of some tanky dpsers like Lee, Skarner or Udyr, which pack atk speed, gapclosers, soft and hard ccs, free attribute passives AND damage steroids (or great damage overall due to skill spam, as is the case of Lee, paired with huge utility).

EDIT: Sorry for the really long answer, but I still feel I need to add this >.>

Another point that made you WANT to pick Jax was where the enemy team's itemization couldn't be guessed from the start of the game, as Jax can build AD AND/OR AP and still be really REALLY scary and strong lategame, against almost any teamcomp, and STILL building counterpicks.
Old jax was pretty much forced to build Thabis, and then had free way to do of his build what he pleased. New jax loses that tabhi requirement, and instead the rest of his build becomes pretty standart to be useful and viable..

PS: I don't remember how the fuk thabi was written,btw.

bump

Tabi, my dear friend. Tabi.
Ninja Tabi.

The only one who enjoyed Jax's old passive is Jax players. Riot hated it and every other player hated it.
I'm sorry if you feel your champion has been made generic, and it's always a bit of a tragedy when we lose one of our truly old classics to modernization, but you cannot balance someone who ends the game with more then 3k hp building pure glass.

+1

One of the main reasons why I liked Jax was that he was a melee champion who wasn't forced to itemize survivability in order to not get instagibbed in teamfights like every other melee champions (except Tryndamere). He could build all damage, and still have the survivability to drop a squishy or two.

To put it simply, in this power creeped game called League of Legends, he worked how melee champions should work: having the survivability to engage in prolonged fights with the option of building for the situation.

Now, I fear he'll be forced to build Atmogs like every other bruiser in order to fulfill his basic duty.

Even when Jax built 3k+ in the past, he could still be bursted and handled well if you knew how..

Champions like tryn could build full glasscannon, get on your face for a full 5 seconds and laugh at you while they got a triple and jumped over a wall (without even needing wards AND doing aoe dmg while escaping).

Problem is? Tryn still does that.

Want to bring up something quick for the metagolem arguments.

While certainly he does have some AD scaling, the GP/LeeSin/Noctune scaling is all AD. I mean, yeah ok there are technically AP ratios, but let's be real here.

AP is a crucial part of Jax's scaling. Atmogs, while technically usable (and with free attack speed really isn't that bad) is not the optimal build.