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Riot, Any update on Soraka?

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Xypherous Xypherous's Avatar ?? Technical Designer
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01-31-2012

As many people have pointed out, Soraka's main problem isn't a power thing, it's mostly the fact that when Soraka is played optimally, the results are kind of boring at best and frustrating/pointless at worst.

There's a lot of fun Soraka playstyles that are varying in viability - Tanky Soraka with MR shred, Jungling Soraka with anti-ganks and aggressive denial Soraka. However, their power levels don't really compare to pure support Soraka at the moment.

I know people are taking a look at her - but it's a tricky puzzle to solve. On the one hand, she is our most straightforward healbot support - she undoes what the enemy does. On the other hand, how do you make that an enjoyable experience to play as / play against at all? How do you encourage off-builds to be more effective when someone playing Soraka sees the opportunity to take a more prominent role after crushing their lane?

Personally, I strongly believe this is kind of an issue with level-up incentives: Compare rank 1 'W' to rank 5 'W' and see the 10x jump in effective health increase that the skill provides - This kind of makes every other skill incredibly unappealing to level, mostly because the power disparity between a Soraka with Rank 2 'W' to rank 5 'W' can be 5x, while the jump in effectiveness of her other skills don't scale anywhere near that high...

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01-31-2012

Posting below the fantastic Xypherous.

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As many people have pointed out, Soraka's main problem isn't a power thing, it's mostly the fact that when Soraka is played optimally, the results are kind of boring at best and frustrating/pointless at worst.

There's a lot of fun Soraka playstyles that are varying in viability - Tanky Soraka with MR shred, Jungling Soraka with anti-ganks and aggressive denial Soraka. However, their power levels don't really compare to pure support Soraka at the moment.

I know people are taking a look at her - but it's a tricky puzzle to solve. On the one hand, she is our most straightforward support - she undoes what the enemy does. On the other hand, how do you make that an enjoyable experience to play as / play against at all? How do you encourage off-builds to be more effective when someone playing Soraka sees the opportunity to take a more prominent role after crushing their lane?
Will these changes, if made, include a new Soraka skin?

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01-31-2012

What the hell, you respond on 2nd page of a Soraka thread, but ignore many, many Xin Zhao threads?

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Xypherous Xypherous's Avatar ?? Technical Designer
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Xin Zhao
Sorry, I don't really have much experience in Xin Zhao. Since I don't work on live balance and I'm a champion designer primarily - I'm not really good at commenting at the state of champions overall - just ones I'm familiar with.

Soraka is one of my mains and her problems are fairly well known to me - Xin Zhao is not. I could certainly follow up on this - but I don't think he's being looked at on live.

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01-31-2012

just delete her, we wont care :}

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01-31-2012

We love you Xypherous <3 it's been too long since I've seen you post.

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As many people have pointed out, Soraka's main problem isn't a power thing, it's mostly the fact that when Soraka is played optimally, the results are kind of boring at best and frustrating/pointless at worst.

There's a lot of fun Soraka playstyles that are varying in viability - Tanky Soraka with MR shred, Jungling Soraka with anti-ganks and aggressive denial Soraka. However, their power levels don't really compare to pure support Soraka at the moment.

I know people are taking a look at her - but it's a tricky puzzle to solve. On the one hand, she is our most straightforward healbot support - she undoes what the enemy does. On the other hand, how do you make that an enjoyable experience to play as / play against at all? How do you encourage off-builds to be more effective when someone playing Soraka sees the opportunity to take a more prominent role after crushing their lane?

Personally, I strongly believe this is kind of an issue with level-up incentives: Compare rank 1 'W' to rank 5 'W' and see the 10x jump in effective health increase that the skill provides - This kind of makes every other skill incredibly unappealing to level, mostly because the power disparity between a Soraka with Rank 2 'W' to rank 5 'W' can be 5x, while the jump in effectiveness of her other skills don't scale anywhere near that high...
Does this mean that you may Improve the effects/scaling of her other skills to lessen the incentive of maxing heal first?

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01-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Xypherous View Post
As many people have pointed out, Soraka's main problem isn't a power thing, it's mostly the fact that when Soraka is played optimally, the results are kind of boring at best and frustrating/pointless at worst.

There's a lot of fun Soraka playstyles that are varying in viability - Tanky Soraka with MR shred, Jungling Soraka with anti-ganks and aggressive denial Soraka. However, their power levels don't really compare to pure support Soraka at the moment.

I know people are taking a look at her - but it's a tricky puzzle to solve. On the one hand, she is our most straightforward healbot support - she undoes what the enemy does. On the other hand, how do you make that an enjoyable experience to play as / play against at all? How do you encourage off-builds to be more effective when someone playing Soraka sees the opportunity to take a more prominent role after crushing their lane?

Personally, I strongly believe this is kind of an issue with level-up incentives: Compare rank 1 'W' to rank 5 'W' and see the 10x jump in effective health increase that the skill provides - This kind of makes every other skill incredibly unappealing to level, mostly because the power disparity between a Soraka with Rank 2 'W' to rank 5 'W' can be 5x, while the jump in effectiveness of her other skills don't scale anywhere near that high...
No it's not the fact that the level incentives are off, it's the meta and the fact she's a support, so she takes the best thing for her to support with. If we were in a harass/push meta soraka would be king because of her Q or even E if long range ap became viable for safe harass.

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Xypherous: I'm sure this has been brought up before, but what about changing soraka's W from a burst heal to a heal over time?

It wouldn't change the way that soraka really gets played as a support, but it would however allow some counterplay as the heal can't immediately save someone if they get burst hard enough, and it would also give ignite a chance to do its job better in most situations

Note: I don't think Soraka is an OP champion, just a lot of supports get outclassed by her mostly because there aren't many other supports in the game that can provide as much as her.

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