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Riot forgot about Soraka's mana regen?

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ratcharmer ?? Senior Member
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02-15-2012

Bump

On a semi-related note, it really bothers me when people refer to Soraka's former sustain as "infinite". With the CD on infuse it worked out to about 20 mp/5 if you used it instantly for mana every time it came off CD. Late game it of course got to be much more, but who needs more mana late game?

Yes, that's a good chunk of "free" mana regen (not really free if you spent a skill to get it) but it's definitely not infinite. It may have been an issue still, but there's no reason to refer to it as infinite other than propaganda.

 
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Adumbro Deus ?? Senior Member
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02-15-2012

her mana costs are STILL ridiculously low.


You might wanna look at spellsy's thread on this.

edit: for reference http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=1825330

 
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Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
Master Yi has the interesting situation of being super snowballey. Get one kill, get your ultimate back, another 35 AD, and more Alpha Strikes. He's the Katarina of melee DPS. If that type of champion is "good enough" without this mechanic, he's "overpowered" with it. This means for the sake of game health, he either doesn't have this mechanic anymore (which Yi players would HATE), or he is a little bit underpowered unless he can hit those states. This is just my opinion, not necessarily the official Riot stance here, but... yeah.

So what I'm hearing from you now is riot likes Yi players more than Sivir players. Since taking out Sivir's core mechanic was okay even though Sivir players "would HATE" it. But taking out Yi's core mechanic to give him a slight buff is a no go because Yi players "would HATE" it.

 
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Doctor Tam ?? Senior Member
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02-15-2012

@Phreak

So can Gragas have scaling MR now? Since he is like the only melee fighter who doesn't at this point.

 
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Chzrm3 ?? Senior Member
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P.S Note to Riot
Please stop nerfing the few viable supports and start buffing the other ones. =(
By nerfing the sustain supports, they make the aggressive supports more viable. I'd so much rather play as Leona or Nunu bot lane than be forced to play Sona/Soraka every game.

 
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Nazrin1123 ?? Senior Member
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02-15-2012

would of been cooler if she got mana back for infusing enemys for damage dealth. lol ap soraka

 
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Phreak Phreak's Avatar ?? Shoutcaster
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02-15-2012

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So what I'm hearing from you now is riot likes Yi players more than Sivir players. Since taking out Sivir's core mechanic was okay even though Sivir players "would HATE" it. But taking out Yi's core mechanic to give him a slight buff is a no go because Yi players "would HATE" it.
Not exactly. Sivir's core feel is still AoE bouncing boomerangs. As someone who loves Sivir (and she was the first champion I ever played) I really like the new Sivir. I get to play her and I still cleave through everything.

Maybe Yi players just like being the really fast Alpha Striking bladesman as opposed to the high that is Highlander spam.

And again, this is not "Riot likes Yi players more than Sivir players." This is my own opinion.

 
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FakiZun ?? Senior Member
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Not exactly. Sivir's core feel is still AoE bouncing boomerangs. As someone who loves Sivir (and she was the first champion I ever played) I really like the new Sivir. I get to play her and I still cleave through everything.

Maybe Yi players just like being the really fast Alpha Striking bladesman as opposed to the high that is Highlander spam.

And again, this is not "Riot likes Yi players more than Sivir players." This is my own opinion.
Actually if you play Yi you wont like that CDR. So unreliable, last hit or not makes so much difference. The fact that you should kill someone before ult ends makes your move simple; go into enemies, kill or die, like minions do. You'll eventually notice it is nothing more than "dunking mechanics" for who cannot dunk actually. Its broken, as Yi lover I'll be happy when it is replaced.

 
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AidanNaut ?? Senior Member
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02-15-2012

So basically Phreak you can't buff Yi because he can snowball? Honestly what is the chance of a Yi cleaning up a legitimate team that can stay in formation?

If we were to compare Yi to Tryndamere, while in theory Yi can snowball in a teamfight, it's not going to happen in today's game environment. There are so many forms of crowd control and gap closers a Yi player practically has to get LUCKY to find someone far from their team.

Now you might say the same thing for Tryndamere, but Tryndamere has one key mechanic that still makes him pretty close to viable in most Elos. He can prevent death for 5 seconds! That means he's guaranteed at least those 5 seconds to do some damage, and it's even worse with cleanse. If a Yi player had the same task on his hands, even if he waited for crowd control effects to be used up, he can still straight up die. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing the snowball effect removed or reworked in order for his HORRIBLE meditation skill to get a rework as well.

Tryndamere's Undying Rage: 60 second cooldown, Invulnerabilty for 5 seconds, bonus damage based on missing health, can still attack and maneuver around the enemy. (Useful with any build)

Yi's Meditate: 30 second cooldown, Massive armor and magic resist buff, heal over time, can still die AND can't attack or move? (only really useful if you build AP, which a typical build doesn't have)

You tell me which ability needs fixing...

 
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Machao1991 ?? Senior Member
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02-15-2012

The thing is Soraka doesn't really use any ability outside of her heal, which is on a 20s cool down. Her starcall is rarely use, and her E is free.

So all the mana regen she has all used on her heal, which is more than enough, at least from what I have seen playing her. After philo, soraka is still the same before nerf.