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Fiora looks super boring

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There are 90+ champions in the game, if you dont like auto attack melee, then dont buy her. Wow. I just played a game with her, it was fun. Her ult is awesome and I like her lunge. She really is a great duelist. Build strait life steal+ AD on her.. I went Wriggles, BT and PD.. and another BT. she reminds me of yi, but more of a 1v1 type character and less of a pusher/backdoor.

People will complain about everything in this game, and there is 16 pages of QQ about a champ they havent even played. Good job riot, fiora is fun so far.

btw, 100 AD at lv 1 with dorans blade.. wtf
The first 3 games are always fun

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Then it should worry you greatly that your team has so far been absolutely unable to create unique patterns with reused mechanics. I agree it should be possible theoretically; but I have no confidence that Riot knows how it's done.
Riven is probably the most boring kit that you could ever see on paper - eeeever. I mean, Fiora's kit has more unique and interesting stuff than Riven's - Fiora has riposte and blade waltz as being super marquee things.

Riven on the other hand is what? She has a short dash that deals damage - She has three of them, sure - but that doesn't really make it 'unique', just repeated - a pbAOE stun, dash + shield, ad steroid and cone nuke.

Uniqueness and novelty aren't really all that important as the execution of uniqueness and novelty - There's not a single unique or new mechanic on Riven's kit.. pretty much at all.

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Nocturne? Ok, all forgot about him, after nerfs he is no longer carry maybe.
he wasnt designed to be a carry but an assasin, thats why morello doesnt even mention him. however, he ended up as a bruiser

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What are the unique mechanics?
A bouncing projectile.

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Overall champion popularity, initial sales, as well as reactions all factor in to data that tells a story about a champion and let's you hear what fans, as a total group, are saying. You can't only rely on direct feedback because it's such a small subsection of the entire playerbase.

We factor that stuff in - attractive female vs other things, gameplay role, etc and use predictive analysis to show us what's going on. Killing stuff with auto-attacks is fun if the things you do to make that occur are interesting - just the tension of being squishy and trying to be in melee is a really compelling design pattern - our carries or something like the Scout from TF2 show this off well.
A TF2 scout only has to deal with burst. Burst that he can completely avoid through speed and skillful play.

TF2 is a very different game, and the twitch action makes up for the lack of overall variety in gameplay. (The unique weapons are a small influence on replayability, it's mostly the action.)

This game has twitch elements, but it is not a surround-sound dive into gunfire.
You can't rely on that to gloss over a rigid class system.

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Riven is probably the most boring kit that you could ever see on paper - eeeever. I mean, Fiora's kit has more unique and interesting stuff than Riven's - Fiora has riposte and blade waltz as being super marquee things.

Riven on the other hand is what? She has a short dash that deals damage - She has three of them, sure - but that doesn't really make it 'unique', just repeated - a pbAOE stun, dash + shield, ad steroid and cone nuke.

Uniqueness and novelty aren't really all that important as the execution of uniqueness and novelty.
it`s just too bad Riven would eat Fiora`s skillset, have enough survivability to be useful in late game, and can actually lane against AD nidalee top eh Xypherous?

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it`s just too bad Riven would eat Fiora`s skillset, have enough survivability to be useful in late game, and can actually lane against AD nidalee top eh Xypherous?
Well - I mean, you can certainly claim Riven is overpowered. XD

But I generally leave that stuff to live balance - although Classick and Statikk are tired at this point of listening to me trying to nerf my own characters and generally ignore me on that particular subject by now. ;D

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hey xypherous what is your take on yi?

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Riven is probably the most boring kit that you could ever see on paper - eeeever. I mean, Fiora's kit has more unique and interesting stuff than Riven's - Fiora has riposte and blade waltz as being super marquee things.

Riven on the other hand is what? She has a short dash that deals damage - She has three of them, sure - but that doesn't really make it 'unique', just repeated - a pbAOE stun, dash + shield, ad steroid and cone nuke.

Uniqueness and novelty aren't really all that important as the execution of uniqueness and novelty - There's not a single unique or new mechanic on Riven's kit.. pretty much at all.
Good point. Perhaps you underestimate the novelty factor of not having mana -- I think it has a huge impact on how one perceives combos/patterns psychologically.

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Riven is probably the most boring kit that you could ever see on paper - eeeever. I mean, Fiora's kit has more unique and interesting stuff than Riven's - Fiora has riposte and blade waltz as being super marquee things.

Riven on the other hand is what? She has a short dash that deals damage - She has three of them, sure - but that doesn't really make it 'unique', just repeated - a pbAOE stun, dash + shield, ad steroid and cone nuke.

Uniqueness and novelty aren't really all that important as the execution of uniqueness and novelty - There's not a single unique or new mechanic on Riven's kit.. pretty much at all.
And you don't believe Riven suffers for it?

You don't believe including multi-skill combo moves like Lee Sin or Brand would make her more interesting and popular?

Rather than one optimal method of fight or escape execution.

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