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The one that was left behind - Xin Zhao

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03-15-2012

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Originally Posted by morello View Post
hey guys - sorry, hadn't seen this thread.

Xin's a good candidate for a bit of skill rework (not total kit, since he's fun and with adjustments, could be made to be good), but he's in that old tryndamere spot - specifically if he's good, he's too good, and if he's not too good, he's not usable.

A few primary problems with xin's kit from a high level:

* "flatness" syndrome. Since xin was created when we were in "holy **** how do we make melee effective" stage, he has a little of everything, sort of like irelia does. This creates an experience of things being very muddy and getting a bit of power from a lot of sources, making balancing more difficult

* cc potential: Xin's cc scaling is pretty insane when he hits critical mass, which greats a situation where his damage/cc/durability ratios are spread out, and making any of the others good results in a problem.

* lack of counterplay: This is my biggest issue with xin. His suite of abilities don't leave much room for back and forth, or smart counter-play. This puts him in a state of "yi balance" where you either kill him, or he kills you without recourse. That, added with the flatness effect, creates a difficult champion to balance for high-level play without having him be a steamroller in non-professional games.

Classick and i have talked about this one and agree something should happen here, but it is lower priority than champions who've needed the work longer, or need it more (eve, katarina, etc). Though i agree with you that this is something we should address.

STEALTH REWORK WHERe

 
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03-15-2012

Good guy Morello <3

 
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Michael Kane ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
Hey guys - sorry, hadn't seen this thread.

Xin's a good candidate for a bit of skill rework (not total kit, since he's fun and with adjustments, could be made to be good), but he's in that old Tryndamere spot - specifically if he's good, he's too good, and if he's not too good, he's not usable.

A few primary problems with Xin's kit from a high level:

* "Flatness" syndrome. Since Xin was created when we were in "holy **** how do we make melee effective" stage, he has a little of everything, sort of like Irelia does. This creates an experience of things being very muddy and getting a bit of power from a lot of sources, making balancing more difficult

* CC Potential: Xin's CC scaling is pretty insane when he hits critical mass, which greats a situation where his damage/CC/durability ratios are spread out, and making any of the others good results in a problem.

* Lack of Counterplay: This is my biggest issue with Xin. His suite of abilities don't leave much room for back and forth, or smart counter-play. This puts him in a state of "Yi balance" where you either kill him, or he kills you without recourse. That, added with the Flatness effect, creates a difficult champion to balance for high-level play without having him be a steamroller in non-professional games.

Classick and I have talked about this one and agree something should happen here, but it is lower priority than champions who've needed the work longer, or need it more (Eve, Katarina, etc). Though I agree with you that this is something we should address.
/heart attack

 
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03-15-2012

well i for one can say that his ult is pretty garbage as well as the damage on his q

 
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03-15-2012

sorry for off-topic, but what about Master Yi? is he where he should be or will he be looked at eventually?

 
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Michael Kane ?? Senior Member
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sorry for off-topic, but what about Master Yi? is he where he should be or will he be looked at eventually?
I think using yi as an example of a kind of imbalance a champion can be in implies morello doesn't see him as fine

 
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Dirty Foot ?? Senior Member
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03-15-2012

At least he had time as OP.

Teemo players are still looking forward to a day when they're moderately viable, let alone OP or competitive.

 
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03-15-2012

I think a simple fix would be to let him use his dash on friendly minions/champs. Atm, you charge in and either die or win. Another possible solution is to give his ult some sort of secondary offensive effect. The damage on it has been nerfed to oblivion already; if your afraid of upping the damage maybe have it do something additional like temporarily lower the armor of everyone it hits.

 
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LegacyVl ?? Senior Member
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03-15-2012

Kat is much more balanced than xin.

Why is she higher priority?

EDIT: Seriously morello below me?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...5#post22058815

 
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03-15-2012

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Originally Posted by LegacyVl View Post
Kat is much more balanced than xin.

Why is she higher priority?
Is she? Based on what?

And she's been in bad shape much longer.