I am still not convinced that flipping the camera won't mess up communication and we're *definitely* not flipping the camera for everyone on purple team. We would not up-end the experience of the vast majority of players in that way. If the map were actually symmetrical across the river we could do it because it wouldn't matter which side you were on, but it's not and dragon/baron/jungle layout does matter. We would not, all of a sudden, mirror the map when you're on purple because that would be incredibly disorienting for players.

I can confirm the issue where you must press Y sometimes on the beginning of the game to lock the camera even when you use it locked on the end of your previous game. Still, it doesn't happen every time. I'll try to notice if there is any pattern on that issue and I'll post here information if I can find some reliable data.

I don't understand what you mean by unflip the jungle... it is fundamentally not symmetrical and both teams need to have the same geographic layout on the map so you are... you know... playing on the same map.

I don't think you understand, when you play with locked camera the camera angle makes it so that you see more above you on the screen than below. So even as blue you are going to face the same viewing angle problems as purple if you approach as fight from top to bottom. For example, if you're taking baron or the purple jungle and a fight breaks out at your blue, you will be approaching the fight from purple side and still face visibility problems. This is another reason why I don't believe flipping the camera is a good solution. It just hides the problem most of the time.

Also, as I said in my other post. We're almost certainly not flipping the camera for the entire teams just because someone may or may not be playing with locked camera on purple. That's making the experience more disorienting for everyone to help a small number of people == net negative player value.

Making space toggle on and off depending on whether you have locked camera is something we can definitely do. Good idea.

All I can tell you is that's the direction I've gotten from the game designers. We have gameplay reasons for not allowing you to zoom out farther. To the extent that we will ban you if you try to hack around it with a 3rd party program. Search the general forums or try to catch Morello's attention if you want more details, that's outside my expertise, unfortunately.

what about an option to flip the UI to the top of the screen. that way when people on purple lock the camera their stats dont get in the way. might help

Yes, we would like to make your champion more visible in the chaos of a team fight! That's a different discussion though. Also... your mouse cursor

This is a question that relates to some of the issues listed here.

Why cant we just zoom out the camera more?

Wouldn't that make a lot these issues go away?
Or would that make it more unfair for people with bigger monitors?

My camera needs to always be re-locked at the beginning of matches. I'm not sure what else you would need to know from my end to fix it though.

Also, I've a suggestion:

Flip (and mirror) the UI on demand. (Pressing a pre-assigned key to flip the bottom menus to the top and vice-versa)

Argument Against: It may be obstructive on some occasions, so you may have to manage to press a key to get the UI on the default position.

Rebuttal: It will give more vision to the purple's side bottom lane without having to reduce the UI's size too much or flip the camera. Also, the top information (time and target information) is far less intrusive than the bottom bar plus mini-map composition.

Not for me. I have to turn locked camera on before every match. Looks like we found the basis of the skewed data.

Same. I have to hit 'Y' before every match, and I don't turn it off right before the game ends.

Boourns, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I must lock my Camera every time I start a game. I know this because the camera always shoots off to a corner of the map when a game starts.(Typically either end of the river.)

I'm one of the fraction of the players who plays with the camera constantly locked. The only time I ever feel safe unlocking is early during the laning phase so I can make sure I have a handle my lanes situation. After that though, if there is even the slightest chance I'll encounter an enemy my camera stays locked.

Also, occasionally when my craptop overheats, the camera will unlock its self. Not fun to be in the middle of the heat of battle and a little too excitedly aim a skillshot only to have the camera zoom away. xD (By the by, I only use the icons next to the minimap top access menu's and set things etc.)