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5/1/12 Irelia Buffs are completely ineffective.

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Kai Allard Laio ?? Senior Member
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05-01-2012

i liked the idea of introducing % based true damage. irelia has always been weak early, and strong mid, then meh again late. they essentially nerfed her mid game as she can't farm into mid nearly as well. making her useless late. giving her % based damage would let her scale into late game and be effective still.

that or buff other abilities. give her more burst potential. reverse the ratio nerf on her E, or return her ult to magic damage, etc

 
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TheUlf ?? Senior Member
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05-01-2012

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Originally Posted by SäucyBeast View Post
Riot, why are you screwing with us Irelia players?

You cut Irelia's sustain by exactly half.

Then you buff her by giving her 30 base hp, 1 more hp/5, and 3 AD. I hope you realize these buffs will not affect her laning phase at all. She will still be weak in higher elos and strong in lower elos (because sadly they do not know how to play versus them).

Her problem at the moment and why she is underpowered and hardly played is because her sustain is terrible.

As a 9 month Irelia player in the 1700+ elo, the three other ways you can possibly make her balanced as she was before the sustain nerf is to

1. Cut her Hiten Style by 25pct, not 50pct. Experiment see if that is effective.

OR

2. Reverse her sustain nerf and cut her true damage a bit.

OR

3. Keep her sustain nerf and buff every other skill in her kit (especially her ultimate, which does not feel like an ult at all)

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=1952769
Remember how shaving the slightest bit of mana regen off of Talon wasn't going to affect his OP'ness?

I do. I remember that forum outcry. Guess what? Turns out base stats matter.

 
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zDamage ?? Senior Member
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05-01-2012

Irelia is also my favorite Champion in the 1600-1700 Elo range and I'm actually happy with these buffs and her current state.

Except for one thing: her ultimate.

Irelia has THE most lackluster ultimate of any champion and I think it needs either a total rework or to be replaced with a new ult. Maybe play around with the original idea where each blade gave defensive stats and firing a blade would be a trade of losing those stats for added damage?

I will say though that I think it's kind of lame that they nerfed Hiten Style's passive by half. It seems more like "it'd be cute/easy to cut it in half and double it while active" instead of "these are the numbers that we feel are appropriate for Irelia's sustain". But I do agree that it needed a nerf.

 
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05-01-2012

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People are really going to say getting a buff to base stats equiv to mastery base stats is not a decent buff?
No one is say that the buff isn't nice. What we are saying is that the last nerf was absurd and this most likely is not going to fix the mess that they created.

 
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AlphaQRough ?? Senior Member
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05-01-2012

Q_Q about sustain
I level up E first anyways, I'm more of a duelist than a sustain farmer

 
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Skared ?? Senior Member
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05-01-2012

imo the buffs really hit irelia in the right places and the base hp buff isnt as small as it seems. a 3 point base damage buff really helps in trades, and the extra hp regen lets irelia have an easier 1-4. I think in the grand scheme of things, shes been nerfed just a little too hard, but these buffs are a definite and substantial improvement.

 
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05-01-2012

Ineffective? It's never meant to be effective to begin with. It's just a encouragement to promote her new skin. I thought Morello already gave up making money from her but it poves I'm wrong. Even with all the grudge he holds against her, he still wants to make money from her. What's the point of arguing? The lead designer is someone who doesn't even play ranking and play few enough normals and got face stomped by a random irelia. After this so called "buff," I sould be expecting more irelia nerfs from him, after all, it's the only thing he can do to make a living.

 
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05-01-2012

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Ineffective? It's never meant to be effective to begin with. It's just a encouragement to promote her new skin. I thought Morello already gave up making money from her but it poves I'm wrong. Even with all the grudge he holds against her, he still wants to make money from her. What's the point of arguing? The lead designer is someone who doesn't even play ranking and play few enough normals and got face stomped by a random irelia. After this so called "buff," I sould be expecting more irelia nerfs from him, after all, it's the only thing he can do to make a living.
Oh God can we PLEASE grow up and stop with the "Riot only buffs to make money" bs? Seriously how stupid can you be? Mundo was buffed (last patch that is)....no new skin to follow. Annie has been buffed....new skin? No? What? Two examples off the top of my head (recent ones at that) that totally shut you down? :0 Not to mention Talon got buffed this patch too.....and yet no new skin is there. I hope you feel stupid right now.

 
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Morello Morello's Avatar ?? Lead Content Designer
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05-01-2012

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Morello, This is going to look really stupid a week from now if Saucy is proven right.
I'm open to the idea that it might not be enough, but the OP has made a decision before it can be proven or disproven - that's my problem with this.

 
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05-01-2012

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Oh God can we PLEASE grow up and stop with the "Riot only buffs to make money" bs? Seriously how stupid can you be? Mundo was buffed (last patch that is)....no new skin to follow. Annie has been buffed....new skin? No? What? Two examples off the top of my head (recent ones at that) that totally shut you down? :0 Not to mention Talon got buffed this patch too.....and yet no new skin is there. I hope you feel stupid right now.
Shhh, they know you're working for us and we're all out to get them. It's a conspiracy, and the fact there's not correlative pattern is PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!

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