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League of Legends Development Priorities: LIVE AMA w/ Tryndamere

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05-04-2012

As the person who got the pricing question answered on reedit(Jixson1 there) all I wanted was a reason every skin is 975, when clearly not all of them are worth that. Everyone skips around it, saying the game is free, and skins support Riot. I totally agree with that.

I just wish not every skin was priced at 975 for the last 6 months. If the skin is worth 975(Urgot, Morgana, Renekton, etc) then it should be priced as so. Same for legendaries. It is just, not every skin is actually worth 975(See Bloodstone Taric, Sejuani skins, Reaper Hecarim) make it a 520. I liked the 975/520 skins with a release.

If it requires different models and such(see Yorick, Shyvana) then fine, have two 975 skins, but Hecarim, Nautilus, Riven, Fiora should of had one 975, and one 520.

I know Tryndamere is not really on the pricing/marketing side directly, but the only people who post on the forum and interact with the community(Live Team, QA, Player Support, and such) have to skirt the issue, while the marketing people do not exist in any way as a real person. they make an announcement, and move on.

 
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I was annoyed (I was to late to ask questions) when I didn't see the question "what are the current development priorities?" We all know things are in the works, such as the 2mil likes, the steath remake, twitch, eve, supremecy, making new champions, replay, and so forth, but we dont know the current high priority.

 
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I think the problem is that all of this information, while not readily available to everyone in one easy to find place, has all been heard from other reds throughout the forums. So a lot of people on the forums will say that it was not a lot of new information, because forum frequenters already know these things. The AMA was probably very valuable for people who do not spend very much time on the forums, and now some answers to the community's question are in one spot, the responses to the AMA should be stickied to GD or something.

 
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05-04-2012

Thanks Marc for the AMA. I'm not really sure what people expected, it's not like he can say "yep stealth remake will involve X, Y and Z mechanic and be out in 3 weeks!". More stuff like this in the future will be much appreciated

 
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Originally Posted by Tryndamere View Post
I'm surprised and disappointed by the comments in this thread, as I did my best to get to every topic I could for over an hour, in particular sorting by those most important topics that you guys referenced here.

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Anyway, we'd like to do additional AMA's themed around other topics such as "Design" or "eSports" - so if you guys want to go "deeper" on particular topics, maybe this general development overview wasn't as interesting as some of the future ones that we may do.
I think the main reason some people were disappointed was that they assumed that you, being head honcho, would be able to give new news that lower-downs wouldn't be able to. I suppose its a good thing company-wise that your employees give out the same information you do, but I'm sure you understand the reasoning.

Additional AMAs would be phenomenal - particularly an 'all designers' ama, as opposed to just Morello. Not that we don't like Morello, but hearing from, say, Guinsoo on the Karma rework would be nice.

 
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I'm not really sure what people expected, it's not like he can say "yep stealth remake will involve X, Y and Z mechanic and be out in 3 weeks!".
Why not? If all he was willing to do was provide the same old "we're working on it, soonTM", why even have an AMA at all? We learned nothing new. It was a colossal let down and waste of time. If he's going to host an AMA, he should at least have a more detailed answer than what was previously given about any advertised topic. And yes, the stealth remake was advertised. If all he wanted to say about it was "we're working on it", it shouldn't have even been advertised as a topic of conversation.

 
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05-04-2012

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But you seemed really surprised at how your answers were received, so I wanted to write something that I hope helped clear it up some.
Appreciate the clarity - makes sense. I attempted to do more of the first example you cited rather than the latter re: pricing, but does seem like we missed the mark on some answers.

 
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What REALLY bothers me is the Ezreal response. It's done, but they want to make it 'better'. Riot, Tryndamere, isn't community response indicative of the fact that we don't want it 'better', and that we're ecstatic about how it is right NOW? And what disturbs me is that I suspect you have taken this mindset to all the other stuff we're waiting on, like the stealth rework. Honestly, is that why it's taken all this time? It's basically done, but it "could be better"? I used to wonder how it can take years to fix the mechanics of two champions, but if this is your mindset, I wouldn't be surprised if it took ANOTHER two years.
I understand your perspective, but oftentimes when we get something into a "nearly complete" state and we look at it, the team oftentimes still has a bunch of ideas on how to make it better - and there is a lot of discussion about when something is "ready for ship".

It's a grey area with no clear cut formula; it comes down to judgment. If we launched spectator mode without all of the awesome features we packaged it with (like the first version in custom games a couple of months ago), then the response from the community would be "meh". Yet taking the time to really polish it, add awesome features like Timelapse and Directed Camera make the rest of the feature (which takes 90% of the work / time) multiple orders of magnitude more impactful upon release.

There isn't anything that is "done" that we're simply sitting on. The second we have stuff that can scale, is awesome and will elicit a "wow" factor from you guys, we ship it (and we need to do this globally to tens of millions of people - which is hard in and of itself).

I guess my hope would be that we have enough of a track record now after 2+ years of continuing to improve and support LOL across so many different aspects, that when we say that we're working on improving all aspects of the game still, that you guys would believe us - and that when we don't talk about something, it's motivated by the fact that we think we will be doing YOU a disservice by talking about something early in development that still requires months of polish; whereas if we get something closer to being finished, when we announce it and generate excitement, we can deliver on it shortly thereafter.

It's all motivated by trying to do the right thing by you guys.

For realz~

 
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Why not? If all he was willing to do was provide the same old "we're working on it, soonTM", why even have an AMA at all? We learned nothing new. It was a colossal let down and waste of time. If he's going to host an AMA, he should at least have a more detailed answer than what was previously given about any advertised topic. And yes, the stealth remake was advertised. If all he wanted to say about it was "we're working on it", it shouldn't have even been advertised as a topic of conversation.
Because we don't know what the stealth remake will require to make it right. Make sense? We need to experiment and try a lot of different things, so we can't disclose what we don't know.

 
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05-04-2012

the only thing that i asked in Reddit was not answered and lots of ppl asked something similar there. Am willing to transfer to EU server for more than a year now, and when i ask the support the have always the same response(copy paste response). Please Tryndamere, When Riot is going to give the possibility to transfer servers from NA to EU?? I´ll pay if needed

Thanks