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@ Xypherous More on the "body analysis" bit we discussed.

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Wherf ?? Senior Member
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05-04-2012

It has been said before that Omen was planned to shoot the spikes from his back. I also believe he was going to be an AD carry.

 
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05-04-2012

If Omen were a real creature, it would die of natural causes quite quickly. Because of his growth formation (the scales and spines protruding forward) Omen must either run backwards which would in turn cause him to die through error or he must run forwards which will cause him again to die because he would get caught on everything.

His head is not elevated which will cause blood to rush to his brain constantly which will cause severe problems in the long run.

He seems to lack neck joints which would allow him to turn his head left and right.

His front leg is long and slender and appears to be carrying a significant amount of his weight. His front longs will likely break very easily.

He has a gigantic mouth which mean he is meant to eat very large things, but his body does not appear to be able to accommodate things of such size.

 
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05-04-2012

Does this just mean that Omen was bad creature/character design and not that creatures are flawed ideologically.

 
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IronStylus IronStylus's Avatar ?? Sr. Concept Artist
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05-04-2012

Why hello!

This is a very cool analysis and quite honestly, i think it's completely on the mark. I talked to Xypherous about the context, (because I lacked the context of the thread) and I do happen to agree with him that creatures, especially if they're to be featured such as a champion is, have to be relatable. That's the largest challenge when designing a creature as a champion. You have to avoid something looking like either an NPC or a raid boss. You can certainly have aspects of the two, but you still need something to ground it.

I think that's why anthropomorphic animals such as Volibear, Nasus and Renekton work. They're humanoid but still have heavy animal features. Certain champions however sometimes fall into those monstrous areas without completely succeeding I feel. We encountered that challenge with Skarner, though I feel with Skarner we did a pretty good job. Still, overall I don't think he's as popular as a lot of other champions. I'd say creatures have a smaller audience than more humanoid champions, that's not to say that audience should be under-served, I just think it happens to be a small audience.

That said, there's no reason we should back down from making monstrous or creature champions, we just have to avoid the pitfalls of Omen. What this analysis has shown sums up exactly what I felt when working on him. He became a mishmash that didn't have a lot of identifiable components, and where he was identifiable, the features really weren't compelling enough, nor were they cohesive.

I think we can make a successful creature champion but usually it takes longer for the idea to cook, and a lot has to be figured out as opposed to a more human or familiar archetype which can lean on immediate relatability. Creatures are challenging, but all good things come from challenges!

Ysereh: L = 9a

 
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Sushiramen ?? Senior Member
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05-04-2012

So iron, what's Ysereh: L = 9a anyway? :P

 
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IronStylus IronStylus's Avatar ?? Sr. Concept Artist
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05-04-2012

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So iron, what's Ysereh: L = 9a anyway? :P
Good question!


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http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=2086471

 
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Jibril13 ?? Senior Member
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Skarner isn't popular because he's bad, not because he looks like a badass scorpion :P

 
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But why does Rammus work? He's not overly humanoid, and has no character other than... ok.

Edit: My favorite Rioter replied to me. Today is already a productive day!

 
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But why does Rammus work? He's not overly humanoid, and has no character other than... ok.
Because he's kinda like a Pokemon.

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Zerothma ?? Senior Member
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Because he's kinda like a Pokemon.

/thread
Rammus Pokeball skin inc

ok

You know what always bothered me? I saw Rammus' Chinese art, which seems to give a much more lit view of his face, and realized he had no nose. I guess that goes to show how much I play Rammus...?