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View Poll Results: Which matchmaking 'issue' is the most important to you? (See post for more details!)
1) AFKs in Champion Select Lobby 4,690 36.94%
2) Duo-Queue Elo Disparities in Ranked 911 7.18%
3) Skilled Ranked Players in Normal Modes 604 4.76%
4) Premade Matching 633 4.99%
5) Transitioning from Normal to Ranked Mode 1,284 10.11%
6) Free to Play Champions in Ranked Mode 792 6.24%
7) Random Champions in Ranked Mode 628 4.95%
8) Provisional Matches in Ranked 645 5.08%
9) Duo Queue Prevalence in Ranked 385 3.03%
10) Level Disparities 585 4.61%
11) Team Margin of Victory 1,538 12.12%
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rivanor ?? Junior Member
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05-10-2012

So this ryze on our team requested mid, morgana took it instead, so in retaliation he chose ryze anyway and went bot, then proceeded to feed. This scenario is very common and I think about as bad as AFK'ers.

Problem #1: one person doesn't get to do what they want so they gleefully make life miserable for the rest of their team

Problem #2: I did pretty well in this game but my ELO still drops because my team lost. This is very typical. I am being held back because of people like this Ryze.

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rivanor ?? Junior Member
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05-10-2012

Just a followup... the game I just got into everyone talked about what they were going to do before picking except one guy. Then when he was his turn, he messed everyone else up by going against the plan. No talking, no communication, nothing. So now we don't even know if he is going AD or AP since he won't speak. This is sooooo wonderful. I'm glad I get to waste another 20 minutes of my time.

 
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05-10-2012

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Originally Posted by Panzerfaust View Post
I'm actually a huge fan of the system. It may not be perfect, but it fits with Riot's ideals (let the players control as much as possible), and it' really, really useful. I don't recall seeing a thread closed just because people didn't 'agree' with it, rather those posts/threads are closed because of the tone the player brings with it. I'm not going to have an argument/discussion with someone who is looking down at everyone from his very first sentence.
Either you haven't been here long (unlikely based on green) or don't check the forums all THAT much >.> or at certain times. I assure you, many threads that are posting thing to discuss or, even more annoying, when someone ASKS for help against someone, they still get downvoted. Like people who come and ask how to counter mordekaiser or riven or yorick or whoever in lane. I still see them getting downvotes when they are only asking a question. It's a terrible system tbh.

 
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Melkor17 ?? Junior Member
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05-10-2012

I've been having a problem with normal draft recently. I'm trying to practice a few different champions and because of the prioritizing of premades I've been forced into support 3 out my last 4 normal draft games. Practicing the champs in blind pick isn't good because I'm trying to learn these champs for ranked and in blind pick tems don't try to work together as much. In alot of those games there isn't even a jungler, so it doesn't work for practice.

I'm fine playing support, but being forced into it when I'm trying to practice with other champs for ranked is frustrating.

 
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rivanor ?? Junior Member
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05-10-2012

Ok, here's an idea.

How about letting people
a) specify the roles they are willing to play
b) specify the team composition they want (including specifying an 'anything goes' team comp)

and then the matchmaking system goes to work.

I'd gladly wait longer for a match if this system were implemented.

 
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Clerigon ?? Senior Member
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05-10-2012

hey lyte im sick of play last pick every single game, i quit normal games for this, i queue again 1 month later and is the same ****...

 
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05-10-2012

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hey lyte im sick of play last pick every single game, i quit normal games for this, i queue again 1 month later and is the same ****...
Are you playing Normal Draft?

 
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Doonhijoe V ?? Senior Member
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05-10-2012

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Are you playing Normal Draft?
That begs the question: Is anything going to be done about that in normal draft? I know it's suppose to be random, but it isn't. Is there a fix anytime soon?

 
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05-10-2012

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That begs the question: Is anything going to be done about that in normal draft? I know it's suppose to be random, but it isn't. Is there a fix anytime soon?
Actually, it's more likely that it is random and that's what causes this problem. True randomness means that you have a 1/5 chance of ending up in any position, and will result in "streaks" wherein you end up in the same one repeatedly. Take flipping a coin 100 times: it's really easy to tell if someone actually ran the experiment or just made up the data, because you'll likely see runs of 7 or more heads in a row in the former and rarely in the latter. Between humanity's tendency to obsess over patterns, remembering negative things more easily than positive things, and to judge randomness by equal distribution, it's no surprise it doesn't feel random even if it is.

It'd be better, if we want to avoid that perception, to decrease the odds of playing the same position (particularly last pick) twice or more with an increased bias against that position the more times in a row a player has been in it. Such a system would actually be less random, but probably feel more random and fairer.

 
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Ragnar Draconus ?? Senior Member
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05-10-2012

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Actually, it's more likely that it is random and that's what causes this problem. True randomness means that you have a 1/5 chance of ending up in any position, and will result in "streaks" wherein you end up in the same one repeatedly. Take flipping a coin 100 times: it's really easy to tell if someone actually ran the experiment or just made up the data, because you'll likely see runs of 7 or more heads in a row in the former and rarely in the latter. Between humanity's tendency to obsess over patterns, remembering negative things more easily than positive things, and to judge randomness by equal distribution, it's no surprise it doesn't feel random even if it is.

It'd be better, if we want to avoid that perception, to decrease the odds of playing the same position (particularly last pick) twice or more with an increased bias against that position the more times in a row a player has been in it. Such a system would actually be less random, but probably feel more random and fairer.

No, its a bug. Premades get the top positions every time. Been that way since Normal draft came out.