Originally Posted by synthesizerToady

Hello lyte, I really appreciate that you're taking the time to discuss these things with players and I see that you're still active in this thread so I'm hoping to get your input on something that I consider to be a relatively large problem in draft pick(ranked an normal). I haven't seen this addressed anywhere else in this thread so I though I'd call it to your attention, maybe I'm the only one that bothered by this I don't really have a feeling for how widespread this issue is.

The problem I'd really like to see addressed is 'picking order etiquette' I think this problem is most prevalent in normal draft and It might be a side effect of the whole normal-draft-pick-order-bug however there doesn't seem to be a firmly established etiquette for pick order in draft. My feeling on this is that everyone should say what roles they can play/want, higher picks then get priority followed by lower picks. Some people seem to have this idea in their head that 'calling it' immediately secures them a position and that it is their

I could be wrong here maybe 'calling it' should be respected as the end all be all of pick priority. This is a seriously frustrating issues for me however, more often than not when I'm playing solo-queue normal draft I'll be 5th pick for a 4 man premade and I'm pretty much stuck filling whatever role they're not in the mood for today. On the rare occasion when I get a completely random team and happen to get 1st or second pick I'd really like to play the role of my choice, there is always a 4th or fifth pick who 'calls' the role I would like however and then proceeds to troll the game if I don't defer. This means that if I don't want dumb trolls who 'call' positions losing me all of my games I never get to play mid or top which I find to be the most fun. This isn't as much of a problem for me if I'm playing ranked since I'm going to do everything in my power to put all my team-mates in the role & champ they feel they are best at. However if I solo-queue for normal draft and get the happy surprise of being second pick I want to get a little bit of picking priority for once since I find myself getting forced to support all the time for 4 man pre-mades.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, maybe I'm wrong for thinking that I should get a higher priority in champ select if I'm first or second pick. That said if there was some sort of established ettiquette( even if it is not the ettiquette I think is correct) it might alleviate alot of these situations.

Originally Posted by RapZero

To be honest, common sense should kick in against most new champions and you should be able to figure out how to play against them on the spot. You play against Ziggs on his release day. Know his kit already and common sense tells you to dodge his Qs and his damage goes down significantly.

Originally Posted by Merluza00

Lyteeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
plz can you propose to the staff the idea of not auto re queueing players who dont pick a champ in champion selection?
If the 60seconds expires and someone does not pick a champs, it is mostly because he is AFK at that moment, and normally he will not even show up.
Up to here, it is not a big deal, you know, someone will dodge to avoid playing a 4v5 and you get requeued automatically. The problem raises when the system matches you again with the same AFKer who didnt pick a champion on last queue. It happens to me everytime there is an AFK, I get matched again with the same guy who get the random champion (or sometimes he gets matched to the enemy team). But the result is always the same, the AFKer goes 0/0/0.
I'm sure you can fix this somehow because it is really annoying, as for all the ppl who will dodge the queue with that AFK requeued guy as for the ppl who do not dodge and goes directly to a 4v5

TL;DR: If someone gets the random champ on champion selection and for some reason (teammate dodges), do not re queue the guy who got the random champ, as he obviously is not ready to play

Originally Posted by GodEmperorLetoII

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...php?p=24200552

Lyte, any comments on such?

Originally Posted by Lyte

If F2P Champion removal costs 1/100th of "Play X Games" in terms of time or resources but solves 80% of the problem... to me, that is a success because players get to see the benefit of that change sooner, instead of waiting several months.

Originally Posted by Lyte

No worries, I think there's quite a few questions in this thread not directly related to matchmaking, so I'm wondering if I need to open up a separate discussion about all player behavior related issues/concerns.

We'll see!

Originally Posted by Lyte

Yes, this is lumped into the various AFK issues in Champ Select and pre-Champ Select that we want to address. No ETA at this time, but it's on the radar.

Originally Posted by Lyte

Riot senior leadership tells us everyday--ingrains it in us--that we should make decisions to improve the player experience; we are told that ultimately, changes that make players happy outweigh changes that are purely to make money.

I can honestly say with regards to F2P champion removal, Yegg and I did not ever discuss monetary reasons for why we wanted to experiment with this. When comparing different approaches, we never discussed how one would be more profitable than the other. The two of us simply do not work that way

Originally Posted by Lyte

Hm, we will be fixing this and allowing players to change their minds and correct errors in the end-of-game reporting options. No ETA on this yet though, we are still working on the details.