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View Poll Results: Which matchmaking 'issue' is the most important to you? (See post for more details!)
1) AFKs in Champion Select Lobby 4,689 36.98%
2) Duo-Queue Elo Disparities in Ranked 909 7.17%
3) Skilled Ranked Players in Normal Modes 601 4.74%
4) Premade Matching 633 4.99%
5) Transitioning from Normal to Ranked Mode 1,280 10.10%
6) Free to Play Champions in Ranked Mode 791 6.24%
7) Random Champions in Ranked Mode 627 4.95%
8) Provisional Matches in Ranked 645 5.09%
9) Duo Queue Prevalence in Ranked 384 3.03%
10) Level Disparities 582 4.59%
11) Team Margin of Victory 1,538 12.13%
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05-13-2012

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It seems like the simple way to handle this is to make the starting Elo 0 and allow negative numbers. Is there a reason this wasn't done? Perhaps a number gets divided by Elo at some point?
Negative numbers are depressing to look at

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05-13-2012

So Lyte, I know you've talked about it (or some other red), but do you guys have any plans to deal with the plays-1900-Elo-Vayne-but-1300-Alistar-guy? I can't think of any other reason why there would be huge mismatches in skill at every Elo other than that certain players only have one, two, maybe three champions they play at that level, and play them not to fall back down, but truly suck at other roles/champions. I don't know if there could ever be a solution to that.

I know I'm not good at every role and, even in the roles I think I'm pretty good at, my champ roster is kind of low. I'm exactly the kind of player that probably plays 1800-1900 level on certain champions and 1300-1400 level on other champions =/.

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Dr Toenail ?? Senior Member
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05-13-2012

I was at 5 Elo, then I dodged one last time and now my Elo number won't even show up for me. I presume I'm at -5 but is it just a bug that it won't show?

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Negative numbers are depressing to look at
one could reason that currently, sub-1k elo has a similar effect. loss of a digit can be pretty impactful, even if it's from 1000 to 999

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05-13-2012

Yo Lyte.

Here is another problem I and other summoners have encountered:
I have been in more games that I can count, where a player is not only as inexperienced as others, but after looking at they're profile, you see that they dont have full rune pages. I think this is a huge disadvantage for any team with players doing the good fight to climb elo.

Got any data and ideas to alleviate this bad mama-jama of a problem?

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So Lyte, I know you've talked about it (or some other red), but do you guys have any plans to deal with the plays-1900-Elo-Vayne-but-1300-Alistar-guy? I can't think of any other reason why there would be huge mismatches in skill at every Elo other than that certain players only have one, two, maybe three champions they play at that level, and play them not to fall back down, but truly suck at other roles/champions. I don't know if there could ever be a solution to that.

I know I'm not good at every role and, even in the roles I think I'm pretty good at, my champ roster is kind of low. I'm exactly the kind of player that probably plays 1800-1900 level on certain champions and 1300-1400 level on other champions =/.
Yes, we're thinking about ways to combat this. This indeed is a reason why we see such varying skill levels when players are supposedly a certain Elo.

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one could reason that currently, sub-1k elo has a similar effect. loss of a digit can be pretty impactful, even if it's from 1000 to 999
This is a fair point, but it's the lesser of two evils I believe. Alternatively we could just shift everyone to be 1000-3400 I suppose...

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Also, what was the change you guys had in mind for queue dodging in ranked?

|s it going to be impossible for me to climb back up to 1200 now?

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Also, what was the change you guys had in mind for queue dodging in ranked?

|s it going to be impossible for me to climb back up to 1200 now?
How come queue dodge penalties would make it impossible to climb back up to 1200?

We were considering removing the -Elo on the penalty, but doing something else instead.

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05-13-2012

Any chance something could happen to make playing unfamiliar roles in normals less of a problem? Every time I try and get any experience playing jungler or support I end up hurting my team. I don't want to play ranked until I feel comfortable in those roles, but I'm nowhere near even being able to have an occasional decent game in those roles. If I play AP, I feel I could at least be around a 1400 elo if I played ranked, but any other role I'd probably fall well under 1000.

Secondly, how much effort is being put into finding better in game ways to teach players how to better do certain things? I've read a lot of guides, watched videos, and have been verbally told how to play a support effectively, but I still can't seem to figure out how the best way to go about doing it is.

I know those questions are kinda the same, but they sounded different in my head for some reason.

Anyway, I know I've said this before, but thanks again for everything you guys are doing.

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