Originally Posted by Lyte
I agree, some cases are not clear-cut; however, when I did some analyses on the subtle / on the edge cases, our players were quite accurate compared to our Player Support team.
If we defined some clear rules or guidelines to playing the game, how would the meta evolve? We might still be in an era where Ranged AD was playing mid!
How *would* we agree that AP Yi mid is acceptable? Would the rules be different for different Elo brackets?
Well I don't have access to the kind of data you do but in my experience champion select is the most consistently troubling portion of the game in ranked. I think a lot of problems could be solved by just including it in the tribunal but you guys can't seem to find a way to do that. You don't need to set a rigid meta and force everyone to follow it, but if 4 people in a game want to follow the meta and the 5th person doesn't, then I think the system should support the 4 people rather than give the 5th the right to do whatever they want.
I know the whole champion select in tribunal thing has been beaten to death already, but I'm not sure you guys realize just how important it is. Ideally if one person wants to play something like AP Yi and the other 4 people on his team are asking him nicely not to, that person should be reported with the champion select chat log showing up in the tribunal.
In the absence of chat logs, perhaps you could simply write out some guidelines to champion select and put them somewhere visible. Let people know what the team captain is and why they are in that spot, make it very clear that champ select should be a cooperative effort, and make it clear that if communication breaks down role selection should default to pick order.
Like all other player behaviour things following the meta should be up to the players and the community to decide what is acceptable, and I just think that without adding more to the tribunal there isn't a good way to control this type of thing. That being said it's pretty obvious that the vast majority of players aren't ok with people playing Eve in ranked and so I would discourage Rioter's from telling people that it's ok to do.