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Change Darius ult to deal physical damage.

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Vriska Serket ?? Senior Member
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05-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Warlordsh View Post
@Certainlyt


What do you think of kill lane support darius?
I had lots of fun playing him like a support
I seem to end with a nice amount of kills in lane and to be able to help my carry get his attackers of of him.
so I wanted to know what ur opinion on that is.
I like doing this to!

 
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IMelchorI ?? Senior Member
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05-25-2012

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i stand corrected. if this still works, im gonna try it out. though it seems more like a glitch to me and sadly you wont be able to move or change direction after you cast the ult, for this effect to work.

im curious. if you hold down your right mouse button and move it along the screen, your champion will automatically follow it and change into the direction of your cursor. if you do this while spinning and cast the ult via smartcast (so without ever letting go of your right mouse button), would it be possible to keep changing direction/moving by simply moving the cursor without cancelling the queue?

but its still helpfull to know. thanks.

another thing i allways wondered about true damage but i sadly cant test it atm. does true damage "only" ignore resistances, or does it ignore any damage reducing ability, like the honor guard mastery (1.5% damage reduction) and garens courage (36% damage reduction for 3 seconds)? i guess spellshields work as usual, even against true damage abilitys. but i allways assumed, direct % damage reducing abilitys affect true damage aswell as regular damage.

 
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KSHarrison ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by IMelchorI View Post
i stand corrected. if this still works, im gonna try it out. though it seems more like a glitch to me and sadly you wont be able to move or change direction after you cast the ult, for this effect to work.

im curious. if you hold down your right mouse button and move it along the screen, your champion will automatically follow it and change into the direction of your cursor. if you do this while spinning and cast the ult via smartcast (so without ever letting go of your right mouse button), would it be possible to keep changing direction/moving by simply moving the cursor without cancelling the queue?

but its still helpfull to know. thanks.
No, holding down the right mouse button shouldn't work as that will override the ult command, but you can cancel your spin to ult before your target leaves vision. And it works in Fog of War or bushes. The same user made another video on it here about its use in fog of war:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daKdH2479hc

He states the final radius as being about 1200-1400.

This is all effective as of the Lulu patch, so yes, it still works.

 
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Serenity Now ?? Senior Member
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05-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Steven Mcburn View Post
No, no no. You don't get it.

Darius is supposed to be an equal oppertunity killer apparently.
The flaw with that argument is that the targets in this game are not equal. Throwing his ult on a squishy is going to take them out of the fight faster than throwing it on a tank or bruiser, and there's nothing they can do to mitigate a true damage burst. It's just a plain bad mechanic, with no counter play, and reeks of anti-fun.

 
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MrFleshcage ?? Member
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05-25-2012

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Originally Posted by XElement View Post
Please stop posting, I seen a few of your posts already. This is the first one but probalby the worst.
YOu keep posting and keep getting downvoted and looking even more foolish.

"players shouldn't have to get a feel for their champion's damage in order to perform well."
No, are YOU serious?
Also, what do YOU know about designing champions? Oh right nothing. But it sure is easy to ***** about the designers right?

Honestly, the REAL question here is how are you a GOLD badge?
When you say stupid stuff like that.
Sarcasm goes right over your head a lot, doesn't it?

 
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Steven Mcburn ?? Senior Member
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The flaw with that argument is that the targets in this game are not equal. Throwing his ult on a squishy is going to take them out of the fight faster than throwing it on a tank or bruiser, and there's nothing they can do to mitigate a true damage burst. It's just a plain bad mechanic, with no counter play, and reeks of anti-fun.
My post was seething with sarcasm

 
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Negi ?? Junior Member
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05-25-2012

To counter Darius ult, people keep saying to build health. Considering that his ult with full stacks does about a 1/3 of your HP otherwise. But Darius also builds AD with a lot of passive armor penetration. So either you'd need to get health item and lots of armor (considering he has like 33% armor pen from passive and mastery, and then whatever other from runes/items).

Building both of these to counter him can really hurt your damage output, and with your damage less, a few tanky items on him and lifesteal makes it nearly impossible to kill him 1v1. His threat level is too high in both 1v1 and team fight. I find that trying to focus him in a team fight often leads to his team having free shots while we try to do so, or he just cleans up with his ult. Running away from him is quite difficult too with a slow and grab that requires not to much skill aiming as other champions.

Maybe he isn't as OP to the higher then average players, but with his kit, he seems like a total pub stomper just as bad as Evelynn before her nerf which is not quite as fun (though I still think Evelynn got nerfed to hard). Fed AD carries is many times harder shutting down than a AP carry as they have better sustain with lifesteal and more constant DPS.

 
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CertainlyT CertainlyT's Avatar ?? Associate Game Designer
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05-25-2012

Hey all, I am unfortunately out of town for the next few days. I will try to monitor and respond while in the airport or at least when I get back. In the mean time, I encourage everyone to post thoughtfully. I am seeing a lot of misinformation in recent posts (e.g., several people saying Apprehend applies a bleed stack) and that really doesn't direct the conversation forward. There are a lot of good design points to continue chatting about though.

 
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Ankokukai ?? Senior Member
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05-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Certainlyt View Post
Hey all, I am unfortunately out of town for the next few days. I will try to monitor and respond while in the airport or at least when I get back. In the mean time, I encourage everyone to post thoughtfully. I am seeing a lot of misinformation in recent posts (e.g., several people saying Apprehend applies a bleed stack) and that really doesn't direct the conversation forward. There are a lot of good design points to continue chatting about though.
I'd really like some insight from you about what i wrote in my first post at the beggining of the thread, in the very first page (the one with around 60ish upvotes, about his passive and massive harrass being the problem and not the ulti), if that isnt too much to ask

 
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TerminalVeloc1ty ?? Senior Member
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05-25-2012

I like darius and bought him, but he defintely does have weaknesses. I think you did a good job in designing him. My only beef is that his ultimate should do really bad damage until you have a high amount of bleed stacks. Even with the mana gating the ultimate usage, i just don't feel it's enough.

Other than that, I think he's great. I play a mean ziggs, and I stomp on Darius players for the most part.