Originally Posted by Certainlyt
Sure. His harass is "massive" if he Q tips you almost every time. Otherwise, he is a weaker gangplank when it comes to harassment. We balanced this around a few factors.
First, counterplay -- For example, if you engage on Darius with a move block, you can often deny him the window to Q from the proper distance. If you juke backwards, you can sometimes bait a complete miss on the ability.
Second, sustain -- Champions with the ability to regain health will naturally wear Darius down, provided they execute their spell combos proficiently;
Third, pushing -- Darius has relatively little control over his lane. If he Q harasses, he often ends up pushing the wave to the enemy tower. Pushing isn't an inherent weakness, a lack of control over whether you push while harassing definitely is a weakness (Renekton has this problem as well). This is especially pronounced because Darius is vulnerable to ganks and because his bleed damage triggers tower aggro, making him a bad tower diver.
I see the bleed not so much as an additional source of damage as deferred ability/AA damage. If he didn't have the bleed, we would have just bumped the ratios on his other damaging abilities. Riven is similar in this regard. Both of them have extra AD scaling on their autoattacks in order to incentivze a balance between ability and AA usage.
how do you counter play and zone him if he inherently in doing his own skills easily pushes the lane.
Sounds like even in zonning he has a great way to farm and harass.
Just to reiterate...
If someone has an ability to easily farm, then zonning is not an inherent flaw.
Its like saying just zone old Sivir. Just because she has a bouncing auto attack and can easily farm when pushed back to her tower doesn't mean she cant be zonned.
And to resort to "2v1" is his weakness is not an excuse.
Your entire argument bases of player ability to undermine the champions own overwhelming strengths. Which is funny, as you have already confirmed his abused Ad ratios and base defensive stats. (Which have nothing to do with survivability i guess)
And you fail to mention Riven does have a deferred AA/Skill Darius doesn't not.
Last i checked Riven's passive has no effect on any of her skills.
Darius has double dipping Ad stats.
every 1 point of AD is worth 1.4 Ad. that is not deferred. that increasing gains.
I don't even get how you can even compare CC stuns as stopping him.
What Pantheons 600 range 1 second stun would upset the balance of...?
the fact that you designed a champion who steamrolls not just in itemization, and skills, but also simple auto attacks. You do understand with how you designed his passive to work with his auto attacks.
At lvl 1 with base attack dmg 50 after five attacks he is applying a dota of greater dmg then his auto attacks (that being 60)
THAT IS HIS PROBLEM
you cant win exchanged with him because every auto attack he does has increasing gains on his damage.
One last edit.
his weakness is again, staying out of his range yet you say his harass his massive with a skill that isnt even his highest ranged move.