Originally Posted by Certainlyt
This is an issue that is of paramount importance to us -- all of our champions are assessed from playing against and playing with as well as playing as. Darius is more "selfish" than many -- we knew that even from the earlist iteration -- but we ultimately concluded that he is not the blight on his team some are painting him as. I freely admit, however, that if I were starting from scratch on Darius, this is probably one of the aspects of Darius as a champ on which I would try to improve.
Further, there seems to be a real tension between the two points of view expressed in this thread, one arguing that Darius is wildly op due to his scaling and the other arguing that he absorbs all his team's gold but fails to offer any value to the team. I think the truth lies somewhere in between -- he is certainly not the optimal repository of a team's gold (that title will always go to ranged AD carries), but he is more than capable of putting gold to good use in helping his team win.
I'm off to bed for the night. It's been great talking -- I am back in the office Wednesday and am happy to continue these conversations then.
Thank you for your time, but it again just sounds like "We understood there was a huge problem and we ignored it because how bad could it possibly be". I don't think it's hyperbole to say that's something akin to an engineer saying "I COULD check my math on this bridge to make sure the weight limit I submitted is correct... BUT my math couldn't be too terribly off because I have a degree in it". It just comes off as someone making a bad decision because they thought they knew what they were doing- all this being said I couldn't do your job I simply don't have the technical knowhow but consider it this way: if laymen like myself and other are able to see a CRITICAL game mechanic flaw with an element of said game, then maybe it's not just us- maybe there is some merit to our claims.
Bottom line, I honestly don't think Darius needed to be shipped as is. Everything about him baring his ultimate is fine- I'm kind of wondering how difficult it could have been to create a different ultimate that utilized his passive WITHOUT creating a detrimental playstyle.
And as for "He's still able to utilize the gold efficiently if he's super fed" this statement is out and out false. There's a point where getting more kills does nothing more for you and all you can do is buy elixers. NEXT is the fact that it is FAR easier to carry a game with two fed champions than one and to say any differently is to imply that it is easier to counter two fed champions at once than just the one.
Darius is a detriment to the game and is simply not fun to play alongside. I'm sure playing AS him is a blast- but when 4 out of 5 people aren't going to be able to be in a position of importance with him on the team- it ceases being a team: It becomes "Darius and his Cheerleaders"
Again though, I'm not saying "Everything you did is wrong and you should feel bad"- that's silly and just wrong. Like I love his passive- it's really powerful and feels like an impactful passive (as opposed to, say, Fiora's which is kind of it's polar opposite except just bad). The idea of the aoe axe swing where the head deals more damage than the shaft was a really cool addition and his attack that has a shorter cooldown depending on the stacks of his passive was also a really nice touch to make a great duelist and a powerful contender in top lane. It's really just his ultimate that's a problem.