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Morello, If you think ahri could build tanky....

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Mooninites ?? Senior Member
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06-09-2012

Then what about Vladimir and Ryze? Obviously this is directed at riot, but what is your logic behind nerfing Ahri's early game due to her tankiness when there are clear targets such as Ryze and Vladimir; both considered blatantly overpowered and fundamentally broken by the pro community? I'm asking because both Champions scale upwards in damage incredibly quickly in addition to building tanky. It's not just that Ryze becomes tanky, it's that he has some of the highest DPS in the game. The same is true for vladimir. Vladimir actually has a more retarded scaling, all his abilities scale upward in addition to his passive. His E makes him hits harder per stack, his ultimate increases damage done to targets and he gets more stats per gold than any champion in the game. But it isn't just this, it's the fact that Ryze and Vladimir have no building diversity, each of them use only 1-3 stats effectively. For Ryze it's mana, and the items that contain mana make him incredibly tanky, such as Rod of Ages, Banshee's Veil, Frozen Heart. The same is true for vladimir although he has a little more stat diversity between Health, AP, and CDR.

The point I'm trying to make, is these champions have been long considered overpowered by a lot of top elo players for various reasons, but mainly their scaling. I'm not saying that the changes to Ahri weren't necessary or bad, but based on the reasoning behind them, why have Vladimir and ryze not been adjusted accordingly also?

 
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06-09-2012

Because Ryze and Vladimir's core designs are to let them build tanky - a lot of champions can build tanky, that doesn't mean every champion should - Swain also builds kinda tanky.

Itemization choices are a big factor in specific balance on a per-champion basis. Ahri's burst and mobility are higher than both of these champions, as well as her having superior CC.

 
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06-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
Because Ryze and Vladimir's core designs are to let them build tanky - a lot of champions can build tanky, that doesn't mean every champion should - Swain also builds kinda tanky.

Itemization choices are a big factor in specific balance on a per-champion basis. Ahri's burst and mobility are higher than both of these champions, as well as her having superior CC.
Sadly, a lot of people still won't understand and accept this concept even after you've laid it out in plain English for them. They'll just keep screaming "DAMGE FROM DEFENSE ISENT FAIR!" and use a strawman argument based on the Ahri changes to whine about Ryze. :\

 
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06-09-2012

Ahri's range are way superior than Vladimir's and Ryze's. Plus, she has a lot of mobility as well.

If she got caught before the nerf, the chances of her living would be superior. But now, positioning will be more necessary.

 
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06-09-2012

that was quick

 
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06-09-2012

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Because Ryze and Vladimir's core designs are to let them build tanky - a lot of champions can build tanky, that doesn't mean every champion should - Swain also builds kinda tanky.

Itemization choices are a big factor in specific balance on a per-champion basis. Ahri's burst and mobility are higher than both of these champions, as well as her having superior CC.
Mobility yes, burst and superior cc? No.

A full rotation of Ryze is much stronger than an Ahri rotation. A snare is a point and click that helps alot more with ganks and catching ppl out.

 
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06-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
Because Ryze and Vladimir's core designs are to let them build tanky - a lot of champions can build tanky, that doesn't mean every champion should - Swain also builds kinda tanky.

Itemization choices are a big factor in specific balance on a per-champion basis. Ahri's burst and mobility are higher than both of these champions, as well as her having superior CC.
Part of me loves you for explaining the logic, which I agree with.

Another part of me wants to hunt you down and do horrible, nasty things because you repeatedly nerfed the only champion that I've ever bought at release and still enjoy playing.

 
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06-09-2012

Because ryze and vlad both have to get like 2 feet away from someone to do damage so you HAVE to build tanky

 
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06-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
Because Ryze and Vladimir's core designs are to let them build tanky - a lot of champions can build tanky, that doesn't mean every champion should - Swain also builds kinda tanky.

Itemization choices are a big factor in specific balance on a per-champion basis. Ahri's burst and mobility are higher than both of these champions, as well as her having superior CC.
What about Froggen building Anivia Tanky? That should not be allowed.

 
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06-09-2012

So when can we get Orianna buffs?

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