On Ramm? Sure get both if you want. He scales off of armor anyway and has low base hp. On most others? You're probably better off with neither and getting Warden's. It's all situational and champion dependent anyway. Sunfire is not ideal in most cases though.

Sunfire is straight up terrible.
If you are buying it for the aura, don't. The aura does like, 20 or so damage after MR.

If you're getting Sunfire for the health and armor combo, try buying Randuins Omen instead.

It gives almost as much health as Sunfire, a lot more armor, and has probably THE best passive and active combo for shutting down ranged carries.
The extra armor Randuins has over Sunfire gives you more effective health vs auto-attackers than Sunfire does.

Some cases I get sunfire.
When their pick is melee heavy, sunfire is effective more than randuins.

But they have 1 or more ranged carry, i get Randuins or at least Warden.

Twitch 5th Tier Bot?

This is whats wrong with these Tier lists. I consistently go bot and win the majority of the time. I purchase the Prospect Blade and shoes with heal/ignite I almost always win bot

Back to the first page with you!

twitch vs ryze
twitch vs urgot
twitch vs yorick
twitch vs darius
twitch vs singed
twitch vs janna
twitch vs karthus

oracles/hextech sweeper/thornmail = dead twitch

being as 50% of the time it's one of the above champs bot, I don't see how 5th tier list is incorrect...

sunfire too expensive. on alistar for example, rylais is far more useful if youre gonna invest in the 1100 gold belt, and you should have frozen heart anyway and you dont need over 300 armor unless maybe you're malphite and even then you would get aegis or thornmail or wardens mail/randuines before considering sunfire.

I've been messin around solo Qing normal games with Udyr and with a tanky dps build I find him to be pretty abusive and not even in bottom lane. (granted, this isn't a great indicator of how he does ranked)

I'm just really curious at to how people are building him because the way I usually do he seems to be very well suited to the map and able to hang with the top tier of dominion champs with ease. Also what specifically about him makes you rank him so low?

Now that Xerath's ultimate was nerfed a little will we be seeing him drop even further on the tiers?