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@Morello: Keep That Nerf Bat Swinging, The Support Players Haven't All Quit Yet

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07-03-2012

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I've made a big post on Soraka (I'll try to find it later, but it's a bit buried currently), and while getting nerfed does feel bad, she's still amazingly good at all levels of play. I'd also offer that Janna is a more traditional support and, despite nerfs, ranks high in top picks as well. Despite a lot of nerfs, it turns out restoring HP and mana is pretty strong :P

Soraka being a primary support pick is problematic when she provides nothing but sustain. I know there's a good chunk of support players who literally want to heal people as their job, but as Soraka does it now, I don't think it's worth it unless she's a comparable pick (at best) to aggressive and zoning supports, or counters other picks effectively/is part of a more specialized teamcomp.

This is not a popular direction with anyone who enjoys this playstyle, and my stance on this has been pretty clear on the subject, but I think we've always been conservative here (if we wanted to just remove her, there's easy ways to do that!) in trying to strike some sort of balance between letting people have this option and keeping bottom lane interesting.

I also don't think equating number of nerfs to anything is a meaningful analysis - if you nerf something 100 times and it's top tier, it's still strong. If you buff something 100 times and it's never picked, then it's still weak - Soraka and Janna have remained powerful options for traditional support players for years, and I have little doubt that this set of changes will dent that much.
So why haven't you looked at her armor buff in lane? Once she uses it, its pretty much "Okay back off, that Graves can't be touched", lets play passive again.

 
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07-03-2012

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Still doing it, but it's taking longer to get where we want.
Remove the MR shred on her Q and give her something that feels impactful. Try to incentivize her to get points in it and get here away from being a restoration bot.

Maybe nerf the armor and make her Q better? I dunno I would have to sit down and think of ways to keep her clutch moments and make her an all around healthier champ.

 
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07-03-2012

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So why haven't you looked at her armor buff in lane? Once she uses it, its pretty much "Okay back off, that Graves can't be touched", lets play passive again.
That's one of the changes in this patch, IIRC.

 
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07-03-2012

Why don't you buff the other supports instead of repeatedly nerfing those 2?

 
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07-03-2012

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Still doing it, but it's taking longer to get where we want.
please stop lying to us.

no one appreciates it.


edit- my post is referring to the orianna "buffs" btw, not anything to do with karma. all they really did was nerf her already flimsy lane phase and call it a buff..

you down voters can all go blow goats, respectively.

 
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07-03-2012

Why is it that you only take the "we are nerfing it until it stops being viable" stance with support champions?
edit: and eve/twitch of course but that's a special case

 
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gosuprime ?? Senior Member
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07-03-2012

you guys buffed sonas harass and not her ability to sustain without going OOM

just be honest with everyone: do you want soraka to be the only sustain support that is viable in the game?

and can you at least admit you overdid it with the sona nerfs?

 
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h0tkarl ?? Senior Member
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07-03-2012

Healing from outside sources should NEVER be a significant factor in MOBA games

PERlOD

 
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07-03-2012

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Soraka and Janna have remained powerful options for traditional support players for years
Uhh, no. Janna used to be widely considered the weakest support in the game. However the meta shifted and Janna started to rise, without ANY help from Riot. She wasn't touched all and suddenly she started to get good. Know why?

Because you guys kept nerfing the **** out of all the popular supports. You brought them all down to her level. And now that the meta has further propelled her forward (mostly because she's the only non-aggressive support left that's worth playing) you nerf her.

Soraka is only strong because you guys don't know what to do with heals. It's really sad that a company as large as yours can't do anything for an entire class of champions purely because your only good designer in that field (Shurelia) left. Very sad.

 
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Tyler Perry ?? Senior Member
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07-03-2012

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That's one of the changes in this patch, IIRC.
Soraka's Heal and it's ability to give 100000 armor to her target are just too ridiculous.

Honestly, A while ago when you guys blanket nerfed her all over the place, the only thing you really needed to do was nerf her heals' armor and base heal