Going back to the original point of the thread
Originally Posted by Riot Taco Storm
I love all the answers I'm getting. Just to clear things:
1) I 100% agree that jungling is hard in 3s. I've been playing it for a while now and am aware of the changes we've made
2) The goal of this thread was mostly to start a discussion regarding the various merits/disadvantages of jungling. My team always has a jungler because we can handle 2v1 lanes with ease most of the time.
3) The jungler is certainly way more difficult in 3s, but does that mean it's not worth it? The advantages that the buffs confer is just too large to ignore. Dragon is pretty much like getting Baron + acing the enemy team when it comes to the gold you get.
I used to play TT exclusively, before Dominion came out. Never did Ranked, but had a pretty decent win/loss ratio on normal TT. Got back into playing TT two months ago, and got back into the groove. Here are my thoughts.
One reason that has been mentioned frequently is the difficulty. This reduces the benefit of jungling substantially for several reasons. First, going into a solo que game with a jungler is a very uncertain proposition. I am always worried that they are going to die to camps, not gank successfully, or get warded and harassed out of the jungle. Basically, they will be an ineffective member of the team.
Second, the buffs of TT are geared toward ganking. But, it is very difficult to get the buffs for two reasons. The mid lizard camp is warded for the majority of the game because of buff protection and gank protection. If there is a jungler, as soon as I hit 75g, I go back and buy a ward for mid. The other problem is that the top camps respawn randomly. I never know when I go into the top jungle if there will be a ghost and wolf, or two wolves.
Third, (mentioned before), the size of the jungle is a problem. One jungler can keep the jungle cleared, but it also means they have to be on the enemy side of the map much of the time. For an unskilled jungler, this means harassment from the enemy team, or even possibly getting shut down.
One problem with dragon is the ease that the enemy top laner can disrupt you taking it. Very few junglers can solo dragon early, and when the other top laner disappears for a wave it is a sign to check dragon. One person can cause both the jungler and top laner to recall when dragon is attacking them.
I also dont like bad TT junglers that much because I often play top lane Mordekaiser. Who, at level 4 can start clearing a wave, then run off into the jungle to clear a camp. And get back before the next wave has advanced. Yes, this doesnt pressure the other top laner, but it does give a significant advantage in gold and xp.
Having had the opportunity to play with some of the Season 1 top 3v3 players, I agree that jungle is extremely lucrative when played with a skilled team. But, it requires a skilled jungler and communication in the team to coordinate ganks. This skill does not show up often in solo que normals.