Originally Posted by Xypherous

I never really intended for her ultimate to be a primary damage source, so unfortunately this is unlikely - as if she lands her ultimate, she gets all her other spells perfectly.

Although - maybe moving some AP ratio from W to R would be a good thing at the end of the day, just so 'wasting' your W on an allied speed buff isn't too bad. I'd have to sync up with Roku about it.

My apologies for not responding sooner - but my two personal pet-peeves that really kill my desire to respond on the forums are a small clique that self-bumps and huge amounts of math.

I have become highly suspicious of math, as of late - as my other QoL changes to various champions that haven't altered damage numbers have turned out to be.. err.. strong. (See also: Oh my god, what did I do to Rumble.)

Originally Posted by Murloch

Fair enough, I was providing a very small aspect of her changes with math (in retrospect). It wasn't meant to be a sensationalist thread (aside from the title) and I got carried away. I'll try to be more constructive in the future. However, I really do appreciate the responses and explanations from you and Morello, as well as the others involved.

Originally Posted by Xypherous

We made her more responsive. As a side effect, she looks more bursty.
She's supposed to stun... whoops.
Her passive does more damage at <500 AP.
There's now a bigger tradeoff between speed and damage with her W.
People use Q waaaaay too much. Mix it up a bit, guys. Here, we'll raise the AP ratio to 0.5 to help. Just... try not to use Q all the time, it's really annoying.
Q speed was nerfed because your combo is now faster. Besides, the brain wouldn't have even noticed this difference if we never flat out told you.
As for damage to mana ratio... don't miss?
Finally, Pan and Flip need to stop commenting on these threads because they tend to have dominating personalities. I understand that in a thread >120 pages long, they want to be heard, but man... they can be annoying. Especially that Pan. Granted, he is the only person that really spoke to me. Because I design the best LoL champions ever, I'm going to name my next character in development after him. What a guy!

Originally Posted by Xypherous

If you meet another mid with harass poke, the ideal response is going Q/W/Max E and stuffing their harass.with the shield combo and poking them with your passive.

In all cases though, simply using Q/W is good - but properly placing Q/W so that you can do a followup E and autoattack is the high end.

I've generally found Q's utility to be the strongest though in determining winning - Super portable ward. :x

Originally Posted by Xypherous

Keep in mind that Orianna's 'R' stun was never longer than 0.5 to 0.75 seconds - so... I'm not actually sure how much has changed after this is fixed.