We'll be adding something extra to the W on release. I still rank it last, but a couple guys now rank it second. I actually think at this point, one should probably choose which ability, QWE, to rank based upon matchup and playstyle.

That's good to hear.

I think a big part of it is that it feels weak, even if having more seeds ends up being better than getting more damage/lower CD on her skills. I definitely see arguments between maxing E or Q first (I like Q personally), but any power you get from W is sort of...hidden by it being a non-damaging ability that scales off character level.

oh yes

I think someone mentioned this, but the optimal combo would be something along the lines of

W (wait) EQWWR

this is, of course, assuming you hit them and activate your first W with the E. A more reliable combo would be

W (wait) EWQWR

hitting both him and the first W with your Q (not hitting him with your E)

another combo I've been using, if you can't cast Q before R or they'll escape, is

W (wait) ERQWW or the variant W (wait) EWRQW

I REALLY like DFG on her; it adds to her burst and gives her the much needed CDR. With DFG, Masteries, and Blue Elixir you can get 29% or 35% CDR (21-0-9 or 9-0-21). With blue buff and without blue elixir, we're getting 39% or 40% CDR. Morello's is another great option for CDR. Rylai's procs on her plants, which, which her innate squishiness, I think makes it a very viable item.

My standard build would be 2x doran's -> pick -> rylai's -> deathcap (or double gp10 instead of the doran's; haven't tried out the new gp10)

My fav combo is EW QW R. Slow, range, trapped, tons of damage, knock up

Fantastic news

DFG + Blue + 4% from masteries seems like the best CDR on her, though I want to test 9/0/21 on her.

Deathfire Grasp is great, because her combo is naturally delayed and deals a lot over time - E and then Deathfire and then QR lets you hit deathfire before Q or R hits, plus the plant hits, so you get a lot of value from the DFG.

the optimal combo is obviously lay down your seeds around your opponent (phrasing intended), then when he's in range from 1 seed, E both of them, RWWQ>>>QE that way you have the slow from oribginal plant and the knockback kicks in the moment your Q plants appear, meaning you will have ~2-3 shots from E plant and 4-5 shots from each Q... unless they're alistar/rammus/karthus/mf or wearing a sunfire in that case, your plants are useless...

will that make her actually viable as a support? because right now the only utility seeds bring is being able to facecheck...


EDIT : sorry for double post, just realized how I answered to the combo part a bit earlier -.-' shame on me...

You don't know how much I wanted and I'm happy about this.
I was really sad at the fact that leveling up W wasn't rewarding at all.

Is the optimal combo not just landing both Q and E and placing both seeds after you cast whichever ability you're maxing but before it finishes the animation, followed by ult?

I mean, when comboing, there's no reason to plant seeds before the ability. Only plant them when you know the ability is going to hit after you've already cast it.