Big wall of texts and many quotes: sorry.
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Originally Posted by Artise
I made 4 threads, all of which made honest attempts at constructive discussion. They were all downvoted to close. Please don't assume that I haven't at least tried to do this in the most appropriate way possible. Also, if Riot ignores this thread, it says a lot to the player base.
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I'll be diplomatic and give you honest answers here. The threads are downvoted because it is a very common discussion that always ends the same way. One of those "oh not another one of these" threads that has been done a thousand times over. Likewise your comments here are getting downvoted because your argument is not leading to constructive discussion. You are intentionally trying to argue that we get a champion of a specific ethnicity that you want. Not an appearance, aesthetics, or flat skin tone issue, you've made it clear that you want an AFRICAN champ. (and dont' think I say 'your argument' as an insult like you're raging, I'm just stating which your particular argument is flawed).
Let's backtrack the discussion:
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Originally Posted by Morello
As far as skin tones go (remember, we actually don't have ethnic backgrounds in our game at all), we have a variety from light to dark. Karma is pretty dark, Ezreal is pretty light.
I don't know - I'm working on a fantasy game from a world where alien monsters come from other dimensions and fight pyromanic children with demon bears. Skin tone is an aesthetic decision as far as I'm concerned.
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Originally Posted by The FireWater
The 'black champ' issue really is toxic. Firstly, arguing that we don't have one raises the question, "What is 'black'?" As stated, Karma is pretty dark. Swain is pretty dark. Nid and Lee are both pretty dark. There are some skins for some champs that look pretty 'black', and alot of people think Jax is black under that hood. The issue is toxic to approach because:
1) The people who complain won't be satisfied until we have an 'African' champ, and there is no Africa in Runeterra. There are dozens of 'black' ethnicites in our world, but people want one that THEY think of as 'black'
2) All the QQ'ing that follows every new champion, whether people think he's UP or OP will only be intensified for the 'first BLACK' champion. "Oh of COURSE the first black champ is OP." "Why does the only black champion suck so bad!?" "You made the only black champion a support!? I hate playing support!" "Really, Riot, you made the first black champ a jungler? You're not even hiding your racism."
You can't please everyone, it's impossible.
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Originally Posted by Artise
This is not a valid reason to exclude Africa. In fact, this is all the more reason for Riot to rise to the occasion. How is it that we've done so much with trying to approach humanity in runeterra from so many angles, and we have so few examples of such a large demographic. KARMA is not black. You don't need to be Black or even dark skinned to notice that. It's not the skin tone that is important; it's the ethnic characteristics like clothing, backstory, etc that are attached. Black people come in myriad colors, so that's not the primary issue. ALSO you're approaching this as if we only need one black character. We need more than one. That's the best way to approach this issue, either way.
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Originally Posted by The FireWater
See, you're arguing the exact opposite way. You are arguing that there should be an AFRICAN champion in the game, and there never will.
It's a simple fact. Karma is black, and there is no Africa in this particular game, just like there is no Germany, Japan, or Australia. You could make the same argument there... "Why is there no Australian champion!?" It makes as much sense as "Why is there no African champion."
Also, by arguing for a specific ethnicity, you raise about 50 more toxic issues. Why Africa? Why not Brazilian? Or Jamaican? or Egyptian? Or Philippian? Or any other country that has a naturally black ethnicity. Hell... which area from Africa? Not all regions look the same.
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I know you want to say "But Riot, you DO have ethnicities in the game. Look at Karma, look at Xin!" champs have been influanced by real world fighting styles, and concepts... it's the reason Wu Kong is in the game as a direct reference to particular eastern folklore.
If you are arguing for "we need more black champions because of visual aesthetic diversity" then you are clearly ignoring the other champs with darker skin, and are looking for a very specific definition of what you consider 'black'. Darker skin is just that, darker skin.
If you want a champion that is simply more culturally inspired by African culture, that begs the question WHICH African culture? Egyptian? Sahara Desert? South Africa? Mediterranean? Middle of the jungle? Africa is a big continent. If you want someone who represents 'African American' culture, that still begs the question: "What is that?" And I don't mean that sarcastically, no matter how it is represented it will offend some players because that's not what
they think the culture is.
Theads about this stuff get downvoted, and comments about this stuff get downvoted because it is a constant toxic argument that ends with the same conclusion: The people who want a 'black champ' inherently don't agree with each other. Each one wants what they specifically define as a 'black champion' and will be unsatisfied and possibly offended if a 'black champion' is released that isn't what they think it should be.
Two closing points that nail in the pointlessness of the argument is that the buildup for the 'first black champ' means that people will automatically be ready to rage if the champ isn't what they want (see my first quote), and the fact that the argument always leads to people pointing out that there are in fact 'black champions.' They're just already 'not dark enough' to peoples pleasing.
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