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Thuch ?? Member
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07-26-2012

My 2 cents....I'd punish.

ASSUMING that the pregame chat was littered with problems created by his teammates, his initial outburst was "understandable". Not acceptable, but we're assuming the worst.

After that, he/she was given opportunities to reconcile and help from his teammates. His/her speech continued to be only negative, and in instances where a positive comment could have been made, there was silence. Until, of course, an opportunity to be snarky arose, then it was gloves off.

Additionally, claims of "I wasn't AFK, I was in the jungle" are, I believe, grossly overstated. One would believe that a CS count should be greater than 27 at the 33 minute mark, assuming that one was "in the jungle instead of ganking". One full clear of the jungle is 15 CS. That means that in 33 minutes he/she was not able to even complete two full clears of his/her own jungle.

My best guess, even ignoring his/her comments, is that they went AFK, just based on CS and K/D/A stats, but mostly the CS. Even the support had more.

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Actually, the goal is to minimize the amount of toxic player behavior in LoL. We try to do this by reforming where we can, and banning where we can't. We also try to do it by encouraging positive interactions. And we prioritize what we can do with the resources we have available. Player behavior is a comprehensive effort, not just bans... We think that everyone will enjoy this game more if it's a game in which people have predominantly positive interactions, or at least, a lack of negative ones.
It just seems all to simplistic and unjust. We don't give people life sentences in the physical world just because we have limited resources. In the most just systems (i.e. anywhere there isn't a three strikes law) it is left not for the most repeated offenders, but for the worst crimes.

Anyway, thank you for an intelligent debate. This was a fun way to be leaving LOL, I'll be receiving my permaban soon, I just received my two week.

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Zileas Zileas's Avatar ?? VP of Game Design
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It just seems all to simplistic and unjust. We don't give people life sentences in the physical world just because we have limited resources. In the most just systems (i.e. anywhere there isn't a three strikes law) it is left not for the most repeated offenders, but for the worst crimes.

Anyway, thank you for an intelligent debate. This was a fun way to be leaving LOL, I'll be receiving my permaban soon, I just received my two week.
As is the case with any form of justice, we must weigh the needs of the individual (Their desire to play LoL) vs the needs of everyone else (Their desire to not have a ragey ****** in their game). That's what the punishment side of this comes down to.

We'd rather just not get there, so we have made other choices to try to improve positive social interactions, like partial premades in normal play, etc.

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07-26-2012

Except we're not giving people life sentences, we're removing them from a game.

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Except we're not giving people life sentences, we're removing them from a game.
Yes, there is certainly a difference between banning someone from LoL and stripping them of many of their civil liberties and incarcerating them for the rest of their life.

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Sevenix Sevenix's Avatar ?? Adjudicator
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Yes, there is certainly a difference between banning someone from LoL and stripping them of many of their civil liberties and incarcerating them for the rest of their life.
Yeah, lets go ahead and discuss the Death Penalty shall we
Anyway, A permaban isnt even equal to a Lifetime sentence, LoL is a free game and you are "free" to create as many accounts as you want.
What happens is that the guy who got permabanned either Hates the game enough to quit, or more likely, creates a new account.

Hopefully he will learn to behave while he levels up the new account, or he will most probably see the same end again.

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It just seems all to simplistic and unjust. We don't give people life sentences in the physical world just because we have limited resources. In the most just systems (i.e. anywhere there isn't a three strikes law) it is left not for the most repeated offenders, but for the worst crimes.

Anyway, thank you for an intelligent debate. This was a fun way to be leaving LOL, I'll be receiving my permaban soon, I just received my two week.
It is really the opposite in the real world. A life sentence requires more, or at the very least the same amount of, resources to be allocated. Also, no one is necessarily keeping their business going by keeping criminals off the streets, at least not in the grand scheme of things.

Supply and demand, we demand a semi-hassle free environment and Riot supplies it or we quit playing, is partially how this game makes money. There isn't much of an equivalent in the real world, as we cannot just "stop playing". That makes the correlation between the Tribunal and our legal system far more complicated.

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07-26-2012

It's hard to get past the fact that he was haranguing his team from the 13-second mark. I would have liked to have seen the second case. Without it, I don't know what I would have voted. The case doesn't show that the community was a strong majority either.

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Shineko Kitsune ?? Senior Member
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07-26-2012

:I
This board needs more pictures of Kayle to deter ragefests.

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So first of all Id like to say I appreciate that you guys are showing reports on why you actually got banned. However, this ultimately proves my point on how broken the Tribunal actually is. On one of my cases one person wrote

"stole mids cs, went afk for a large part of the game, refused to communicate".

Well lets see how false this statement actually is. First of all I never afked at all in that particular game, the person who reported me was straight up lying about that, probably to make his report "sound" better. Secondly, I never "stole mids cs". If you actually read the chat youd see I state EXACTLY why i went mid. I went mid to "mix it up" because there was a SEVERE lane mismatch bottom and I felt it would be better to have two mid and push it to free up roaming. I did not at all go mid to "steal cs", I did it to help us get a better chance of winning. And lastly, its funny how this guy who reported me said "i failed to communicate", when I clearly stated why I was going to go mid.


Another game reported me again, for being afk, when in fact I was never afk the whole game. This leads me to believe alot of people are lying in their reports to make them "sound better".

Another report with straight up lying going on said "player was extremely negative and harrassing others". This one cracks me up has well for if you actually READ THE CHAT youd see that I was actually MAJORLY harrassed first. When this person harrassed me I said that I would not lane with him and went top. Again I did this to WIN THE GAME. I felt that by going top and not being with a player who harrassed me would be better for the team. However, the top started calling me all sorts of names etc. and I retaliated by calling the people calling me names "aholes".

Maybe I shouldnt of called them aholes but I dont think calling people aholes who really are being aholes constitutes "player was extremely negative and harrassing others".

All this only confirms that people are purposely lying in reports, not actually reading the chat ( my guess is they skin through it without actually reading the whole thing), and people are getting banned for FALSE reports has a result.
wooow thats not a false report you're a ****head

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