It would need lots of hearts.

LOTS of hearts.

I don't have anything against these guys. Although Kitae does sound like an alien or politician.

I just hate that the old lore specifically was not broken and Riot came through and...well..."updated" it -_-

It should be kept the same in my honest opinion.

That, my friend, is one of those legitimate complaints I was talking about.

Okay, that much I can understand. Understanding where a character comes from is an important aspect of their origin. However, I would ask why you believed that mentioning Katarina's rivalry with Garen, for example, was somehow not a part of "her story." By this I mean, her rivalry with Garen is a part of who she is (or was depending on how one chooses to interpret the new lore).

In addition, wouldn't mentioning her father as being "The powerful and feared General Marcus Du Couteau" be even more applicable to an "origin story" than simply leaving that more or less up in the air? Don't get me wrong. I understand your intent, but it seems like the execution of the intent did not live up to what you had initially attempted to accomplish by rewriting it from an "origin" standpoint.

Katarina's father is a very big part of where she comes from, and to remove him like that, I think, was an error on your part if you were intending for it to be an "origin story" for Katarina.

I do like that we know where Katarina got her scar. I like that we have a bigger idea of her personality rather than simply a list of traits like, "ruthless," "Sinister" etc. However, I feel like the flavor of Katarina as she fits into the world and the other aspects of her complete character have been lost with the rewrite.

If you want a real opinion, I would suggest writing a League Judgement for every single champion rather than a complete rewrite in most cases. Those gave us untold amounts of insight into the personalities, motivations, and aspects of the characters that a single two-paragraph bio simply couldn't touch. I know they were a lot of work, to be sure, but they gave us so much information about events that shaped these characters! Nothing else you've ever created has had such an impact on your characters and how we understand them than those Judgments.

Think of it. By writing those, and a task it would be, I'm sure, you can give life to champions you never could before. You can tell origin stories in those, like you did with Xerath. You can recall defining moments, like with Riven's Judgment. And, better yet, by doing things in that way, you ADD to the characters you already have, and TAKE AWAY NOTHING. Other than the loss of some time, you gain a tremendous amount of freedom to tell the stories of these characters.

You could tell a larger story with Katarina's NEW Judgment. You could tell the story of her rise through the ranks, her training at the hands of her father, Marcus Du Couteau, and even mention how her first encounter with Garen served to show her that despite all her lessons, she would always have more room to improve and prove herself on the Fields, for Noxus, her family, and for herself, if that is truly where you wish to take her.

THAT is how a character is developed. THAT is their origin, the story of how they came to be the person that they are at the current moment. A character's personality is a combination of their life experiences, and you can only capture that with a bio more similar to the old one, and with a Judgment like you had done before, not in something so simple as a two-paragraph summary of a single event.

I'm sorry I'm rambling, but I feel very passionately about creating characters and telling stories. That's, in part, why I applied to Riot a few months ago, because I felt I could bring that passion to bear to help telling stories like Katarina's, and to allow others to really get to know these characters that you've created, now numbering over 100.

In any case, I think you could create a more suitable version of Katarina's origin story, if that was your goal. And, I've outlined a way in which you could get the most out of the character. I'm just a concerned lore fan that sees the beginnings of these changes, and does not like where things are headed.

I had a lot of questions both about Kat's lore and why it was changed, and what was being removed and what not. Why not anwser any of my questions on the top of page 2?

The new lore is not good. It lacks any real detail besides other name-less figures and the repeated use of the word passion. Other people have and will say what I think a lot better and in a lot greater depth. Though I will say I really miss her connection with Garen. I've always enjoyed the character bio's that were connected to other champions. I felt it ties the game lore together more.

...I guess you could say this thread was highly educational. In many ways.

I think there is more depth in the new bios than the old ones. The old ones were more a collection of facts, and less a story.

But yes, the AMAs provide additional depth and context. We have to pick our words carefully when we write bios, because there is a limit to how much story we can tell and we know players will dissect every word.

And we do want to provide that context to more players but the AMA threads are not the best way to do that. The best way to do that is to get new types of Lore out there, which we are working on.

Diana's bio is more subtle. If you know Leona's bio and read it, you can definitely figure out that they know each other and that they don't get along now which raises the question - what happened exactly between them?

We know, and we want to tell that story. We also want to tell Garen and Katarina's stories. We're laying a foundation for that right now.

So I am here because I want to listen to your feedback, but this is an example of feedback that is difficult to take seriously. Let's review Kat's bio for a moment:
- She single handedly infiltrates a Demacian camp
- She makes an opportunity kill of a Demacian general, that she thinks is the right move for Noxus
- Later realizing her mistake, she kills her original target

She made a mistake, but she's hardly a naive incompetent to be ejected for Noxus.

So … I want your feedback but raging and exaggerating doesn't help.

Sure good question. There are basically two options.
1. Do all the lore updates in secret and then release them all, with new lore content, in a grand reveal.
2. Continually release small lore updates, keep you guys involved in the process, and listen to your feedback

So personally I prefer 2. Continual feedback from you guys as we release lore gives us an opportunity to get your feedback. Believe it or not - we want your (constructive) feedback. That's why we do AMAs. That's why we do revise lore, like Jayce's bio, when talking with you helps us make it better.

Also "gaps" are not always bad. Gaps are the seed for new stories. A great example, again, is Leona/Diana's relationship. Diana's bio set's up that they have history, that's a gap. That's an implied question in the bio. The story about their relationship will be the payoff. If we didn't raise the question, the story wouldn't be as satisfying when we release it.

How can you say this with a straight face if you've had more foibles with lore in the last few champions than in the whole roster?

I'll be blunt with my question.

Is the lore being written by native english speakers with a background of paid creative writing and being supervised or edited by a professional editor?

Currently it seems about half the champion backgrounds are solid well presented lores and the other half are badly written fanfic quality. The repetitive use of 'prominent' to describe every other character in her lore and the description of all her motivations and feelings to be 'passion' or 'passionate' feel like the sort of mistake you expect non-english speakers or teenagers writing Twilight fanfic to make.