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Let's talk about the current status of the Tribunal post-Justice Reviews

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Garlyle Wilds ?? Senior Member
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09-15-2012

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and the innocent players that got banned before and trolls that got pardoned, what you going to do about it?

Nothing as expected.

Someone needs to ban this Lyte for making this joke called "Tribunal".
No innocent players have been banned

Trolls that got pardoned will be back in the Tribunal before long, and Lyte is making adjustments to the rates necessary for a punish to be cast so that they're more likely to get nailed next time around.

It's not a perfect system but it's working.

 
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09-15-2012

I am totally in favor of the tribunal and doing anything to further improve the accuracy of the system. In fact the only issue I have is with the intentional feeding reports. Most reports are pretty cut and dry, for instance verbal abuse, general toxic behavior are easy to identify by looking at the chat logs and additional reports because there is proof that a reportable offense did in fact occur. Then there is intentional feeding. Unless it is an obvious troll build or self incriminating comments were made in chat, who are we to punish someone for having a bad game? I mean even if it is 0-15, who are we to say that the person was intentionally feeding. They could have been very outmatched or over their head in the level of games they are in. A lot of players say that with numbers like that they deserve to be reported but I find this a very flawed outlook on this situation. As I said this is the only part of tribunal that is a gray area, because in alot of cases of intentional feeding there is simply no proof other than a bad score and tribunal reviewer that could have a chip on his or her shoulder towards "feeders". This is the only thing about tribunal I feel could be abused in an unfair manner. On another note though very excited and hopeful about the new features that are being implemented and the positive effect it will have on this amazing community!

 
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09-15-2012

Tribunal is back up, but Justice Reviews and Halls of Justice are still closed for now while we work on them. Tribunal settings are stricter now and should be more aggressive against toxic players.

We'll need lots of feedback when Justice Reviews re-open.

 
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09-15-2012

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Tribunal is back up, but Justice Reviews and Halls of Justice are still closed for now while we work on them. Tribunal settings are stricter now and should be more aggressive against toxic players.

We'll need lots of feedback when Justice Reviews re-open.

How bout giving us the IP bonus back?

 
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Tribunal is back up, but Justice Reviews and Halls of Justice are still closed for now while we work on them. Tribunal settings are stricter now and should be more aggressive against toxic players.

We'll need lots of feedback when Justice Reviews re-open.
Will this affect very close false-pardon cases from the last few days?

 
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09-15-2012

u guys need to remove intentionally feeding as an option all it is is X player did bad so report please

 
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The tribunal isn't a counterexample of my claim. Considering it has been plagued by hundreds of people abusing the system for IP in times past, and now many people just try to guess what other people will vote so they can get their leaderboard points.
And how many people were unjustly banned by all these system abusers? The system was built to take into account that people would try to game it. Punish-spammers who think they "got away with it" may just be the ones the system happened to hand punishable cases. So the fact that people tried to game the system doesn't mean the system was broken.

How about you try an experiment? Go into Tribunal and engage in some kind of system-breaking or system-gaming behavior--spam punishes, or vote the opposite of what your common sense tells you the verdict should be. Record the number of games where your system-breaking behavior differed from the verdict that would be rendered by a conscientious judge, and record the number of games where the actual verdict was different from the conscientious verdict (in your opinion). And test how long it takes to get taken out of the system when you engage in this behavior. I've never seen anyone bother doing this, and it seems like the most interesting way for a judge to test the quality of the system. Instead, you just sit there making either baseless speculation or incomplete arguments.

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And no, it's not. It's almost 100% impossible to determine whether it's intentional feeding from stats/chatlogs. Why? People aren't always honest in chat. The scores don't tell the whole story. Now if you could see screenshots of the minimap at the time of death, you might be able to get a better idea... but without some sort of visual game data, it's just not faesible. And the fact that they think it is is just ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.

The only time you can really tell is if a person is like 0cs with troll summoner skills and like 26 deaths with no kills or assists.
Hand me a case where someone goes 2/12, and I can usually tell whether or not it was intentional. Typical patterns include the defendant saying "GG I give up" or something similar, teammates pleading with him to just stop trolling and take the game seriously, and multiple opponents reporting for intentional feeding. The sum of patterns shown in the chatlogs and stats gives a good picture of how deliberate the feeding was.

 
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Mr T ?? Senior Member
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09-15-2012

Is there any chance you could tweak the Tribunal so that it shows ENTIRE chat logs? I've gotten a lot of cases tonight where multiple people will report someone for racism and I'll only either see the barest hint of the end of a conversation or nothing at all.

 
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Yormir ?? Junior Member
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09-16-2012

Good evening / morning Lyte

I had a question about the Tribunal that seems to be more of a little bug that keeps happening
If I tab away from the Tribunal for a while, or I take a bit longer than normal to judge or look through a case, for some reason I'm either kicked back to the first page thats in the Tribunal (the one that gives the option to see my status, or the one that goes directly to the reviews) or to the terms and conditions. Is this normal / intended to happen to remind the player?

Thanks for your time

 
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09-16-2012

but I had 115.74% accuracy!
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