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Originally Posted by Eleshakai
The tribunal isn't a counterexample of my claim. Considering it has been plagued by hundreds of people abusing the system for IP in times past, and now many people just try to guess what other people will vote so they can get their leaderboard points.
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And how many people were unjustly banned by all these system abusers? The system was built to take into account that people would try to game it. Punish-spammers who think they "got away with it" may just be the ones the system happened to hand punishable cases. So the fact that people tried to game the system doesn't mean the system was broken.
How about you try an experiment? Go into Tribunal and engage in some kind of system-breaking or system-gaming behavior--spam punishes, or vote the opposite of what your common sense tells you the verdict should be. Record the number of games where your system-breaking behavior differed from the verdict that would be rendered by a conscientious judge, and record the number of games where the actual verdict was different from the conscientious verdict (in your opinion). And test how long it takes to get taken out of the system when you engage in this behavior. I've never seen anyone bother doing this, and it seems like the most interesting way for a judge to test the quality of the system. Instead, you just sit there making either baseless speculation or incomplete arguments.
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Originally Posted by Eleshakai
And no, it's not. It's almost 100% impossible to determine whether it's intentional feeding from stats/chatlogs. Why? People aren't always honest in chat. The scores don't tell the whole story. Now if you could see screenshots of the minimap at the time of death, you might be able to get a better idea... but without some sort of visual game data, it's just not faesible. And the fact that they think it is is just ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.
The only time you can really tell is if a person is like 0cs with troll summoner skills and like 26 deaths with no kills or assists.
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Hand me a case where someone goes 2/12, and I can usually tell whether or not it was intentional. Typical patterns include the defendant saying "GG I give up" or something similar, teammates pleading with him to just stop trolling and take the game seriously, and multiple opponents reporting for intentional feeding. The sum of patterns shown in the chatlogs and stats gives a good picture of how deliberate the feeding was.