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MathMage ?? Senior Member
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10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Xengre View Post
Actually her boobs are not larger then her wasteline, but I can definitely see why you may think that due to a fault on the artist's end (see Tryndamere's anatomy... and others in past topics of these forums). I would also argue that her boobs are realistic but the arc'd position and failure to properly portray her waste on the artist's end make it seem less so. Despite the fact that you and I may not find them attractive it is a well known stereotype that men like large breast and hers are within realistic proportions (for even natural bust).
You can still see the original proportions on her Waterloo and Cowgirl skins. Compare boob size to waist size.

I'm not saying that it's impossible to have boobs like MF's in a vacuum. I'm saying that her boobs are way too large for her body. That is indisputable. "It's her waist's fault, not her boobs'!" is missing the point.

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Fiora.. the French are often stereotyped as being attractive and this is her theme. To take matters further she is an athletic sword practitoner (using a thin rapier style of sword play... which coincides aesthetically with her thin and refined body).
You're saying the pose is okay because she's...French.

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Here's a serious fencer posing for the camera:
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/in...the-camera.jpg

There is rather a large difference.

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Akali's side boob is a real clothing style and is in fault of females because they wear such clothing designs in the real world. I also do not believe that it is in any way sexist or condescending to women. Do you?

Syndra is a sexy powerful (effectively) mage and is not over the top to be honest. Then again this game is rated for Teen. Neither her nor Akali are really any worse then a women wearing a swim suit (think about it in that reference for a moment).
I routinely wear swimsuits to the battlefield!

Your basic error in reasoning here is arguing that because women sometimes wear clothing like this in particular contexts, that it makes sense in THIS context without thinking of it as inappropriate sexualization. That is false.

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Eve's theme is vamprism and seductiveness/ultimate predator so it actually is a rather accurate portrayal. I personally think it could have been better done since I feel it is over the top as well... but it is not sexist since it is representing a very accurate theme.
Eve is kind of a disaster zone. Her lore is utterly generic horsepucky that in no way fits with her appearance, and the only thing she's going to murder in that outfit is her own thighs as the spikes on her outfit scrape the flesh off her bones. Her new art at least looks slightly more aggressive than the old art, but it still comes off as ridiculous rather than dangerous.

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I am curious what you think about these points after seeing it from a different angle. Also be back to check up on thread in a bit.
I think that this new angle is a predisposition to think the art is fine, which therefore seeks an excuse for every instance where Riot crossed the line.

 
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Rauhel ?? Senior Member
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To sum up this thread:

Make more female champions that look like this:
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How can you not love Astrid and her weapon obsession?
Lin is a 50 year old woman, yet everyone loves her.

Not like this:
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Maybe if Riot is feeling extremely confident:
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Okay, we seriously need some black people in the League....
Thank you for excellent examples of womanhood. My reaction to Lin Bei Fong was "A million times YES!" She is a total badass!

 
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Nyarii ?? Senior Member
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10-06-2012

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Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
To sum up this thread:

Make more female champions that look like this:
-x-
-x-
-x-
-x-
-x-
How can you not love Astrid and her weapon obsession?
Lin is a 50 year old woman, yet everyone loves her.

Maybe if Riot is feeling extremely confident:
-x-
-x-
Okay, we seriously need some black people in the League....

All great and more importantly diverse concepts. Personally, i would love more female monsters/nonhumans also. Earlier in the thread was mentioned Cassi as a hideous naga -- i would play that champion/buy that skin in a heartbeat.

Again, we are asking for more diversity in the human women [see above for awesome examples]. This does not take away from "teh sexy gurlz" already in place. But it would be really nice to have the option of playing women with breasts smaller than her head and a waist that needs more than two hands to circle it.

 
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I think i have loved every one of your posts. And i have read every single comment in this 82-page thread. =p

 
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10-06-2012

More girls should play LoL, thats true. Well tbh even more people in general should

However ive played like 3k games and have never seen anyone abused because of their gender. And really no one in their right mind cares what gender their champion is (besides maybe 12 year olds). I enjoy playing both male and female champions. Why shouldnt girls?

Tbh i dont really understand the point your trying to make. Its just a lot of text that says nothing.

Edit: If its because you think making chicks with big boobs is like sexist or something your very moronic, its an animation sersiously... Besides some characters have like massive 6 packs and us guys dont feel inferior because of it.

 
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Rauhel ?? Senior Member
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I think i have loved every one of your posts. And i have read every single comment in this 82-page thread. =p
Dang, not even I can claim that. I missed pages 12-30.

 
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I hope my post didn't come out as condemning, because that was not my intent. I was disappointed in the way this issue had been handled in the past, particularly my brief exchange with Morello, and the two threads that cropped up basically mocking those of us that actually consider this a problem (with Rioters participating).

On the subject of Zyra and Cassiopeia, I actually agree with you on a personal level, but I was trying to be objective. If I removed those champions, I would also have to remove Varus, because he is grotesque in the exact same way, and Varus stands as the only male champion I find to be sexualized, so it's a double-edged sword.

I strongly appreciate your call for a more civil discussion. Mudslinging gets us nowhere.
Don't worry, my condemning comment wasn't directed at you. I actually upvoted your original post even though I didn't agree with all of it. Hard to have a discussion if you're downvoted into silence.

 
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MathMage ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
To sum up this thread:

Make more female champions that look like this:
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Not like this:
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Maybe if Riot is feeling extremely confident:
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Btw thanks for giving me half a dozen new people to watch on DA.

 
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Rauhel ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Phaceroll11 View Post
More girls should play LoL, thats true. Well tbh even more people in general should

However ive played like 3k games and have never seen anyone abused because of their gender. And really no one in their right mind cares what gender their champion is (besides maybe 12 year olds). I enjoy playing both male and female champions. Why shouldnt girls?

Tbh i dont really understand the point your trying to make. Its just a lot of text that says nothing.
I've seen first hand people mistreat women in game. "We have a girl, gg" and "sigh, just try not to feed" are comments I've seen first had. Besides that, there are several ladies in this thread that have had people harass them based on their gender. It happens more frequently than you know.

This thread is a call for diversity. I knew some girls in high school that started playing Final Fantasy games for the attractive guys in it, and they would talk about crushing on Riku from Kingdom Hearts and stuff like that. People underestimate the appeal a good looking male champion might have on some gamers. At the very least, it wouldn't hurt.

Likewise, I think old ladies are awesome and I want a granny champion, damnit!

 
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10-06-2012

This may have already been linked, and is now defunct, but it's a good archive:

http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/