Originally Posted by Morello

No, zero CS is even bigger than this effort from a risk/dificulty standpoint. Supports will still play zero CS (unless you guys find strats that feed supports!)

We are adding a lot of support-oriented items with this in mind, though, and alternate ways to get gold (cool new mastery for supports inc...). I actually don't mind zero CS - I mind that support don't get gold that they can use to buy cool items. That is what we'll fix here.

Zero CS is needed to keep support viable (it's actually always been the optimal way to play, players just didn't have that down pre S2), but they get to do a lot of other interesting things in lane like harass, peel or set up kills. Making the lane fight for CS is inferior to that.

Originally Posted by Morello

Some, probably. I agree here, though we'll likely keep Aura items for a similar reason - they at least feel god on support and tanks, especially if you don't like actives.
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Originally Posted by Morello

We want it to - we're doing some summoner spell changes for S3 as well.

Originally Posted by Skoron

Morello, I posted this question a few pages back but you seem to have missed it (I had edited it into the post as you responded to it) so I'll ask it again.

Can we expect to see more items or changes to existing items that will make attack speed and on-hit builds more viable? Some champions, like Teemo, Kog-maw, and even possibly Kayle, seem to favor on-hit builds when you look at their kits, yet they perform much better when built like a traditional AD.

Also, what are your thoughts on AS/on-hit builds and how they currently and should perform? (Should they offer less damage then AD/crit builds but more tankyness?)

Originally Posted by Morello

Actually yes - we're trying to make that a viable build.

Originally Posted by YoshioPeePee

yup, and i'm one of them

glad to see you aren't going too nuts with eliminating passive auras in favor of item actives. less twitchy players don't need to be squeezed out of the game entirely

really excited for the support changes, anything that will help us get more gold is a +

I'm sick of begging the fed top laner to carry the oracles instead of me cause i already burned through 2 from being focused and i only have heart of gold and half an aegis to protect me

alot of the other changes strike me as stuff i'll just end up hating, but i said that about the s2 changes way back when and i wound up loving everything, trusting you guys here, you've been whispering things that sound an awful lot like an intent to revert the jungle closer to s1 which scares the daylights out of me tbh

Originally Posted by abuzeus

I am cool with that. Fighting over cs sucks anyway, I just wanted to have supports actually get gold!

Originally Posted by Morello

Most of this stuff is really exciting - there's some obvious things that will be weaker or nerfed (directly or indirectly) as a result, but we think this will allow a ton of experimentation to open up again - hard to do with a 3+ year old game

Originally Posted by Zerglinator

Will Mana Manipulator finally be a worthwhile starting item?