Originally Posted by Gaara 0fThe Funk

No, as long as its better to have one person with 15k gold and another with 7k gold as opposed to having two with 11k gold- a 0cs teammate will always be used.

Originally Posted by Morello

Sona is pushing out Lulu

Originally Posted by MJaxon

It helps that Riot almost never releases support champs, so people are forced to shoehorn Leona and Zyra into support role.

Originally Posted by Renaito Yuujou

I remember at the beginning of the year, I thought Sona was pretty good. I could actually POKE in lane with her, make people afraid of her and successfully zone out with her. Then she got nerfed. I'm not sure how many times she got nerfed, because there was a period where I switched from Sona to Taric. But by the time I got back to Sona, I tried to zone with her and was completely unsuccessful. Not only did I deal NO damage, but EVERY AD carry could jump on top of me and 100-0 me with little effort.

Sona received some small buffs not long ago, and coupled with a game play change on my part, instead of zoning with Sona just being more of a heal bot, I was able to succeed with Sona again. But she was not was she used to be. Her poke is still not there, her zoning is just not an option. And now I hear that she's going to be nerfed MORE?

Just stop it, seriously. She's too weak to harass now as it is, do NOT nerf her, seriously. She could stand a bit more damage as it is, nerfing her would just make her completely useless.

Originally Posted by Morello

This is a red herring. The power level across the board, generally, is up - we constantly add total power to the game. There's zero evidence of a progression of reverse power creep - in fact, our game is power-creeping a little.

For supports, we're going to take it on the chin if we ever nerf any of them at this point, regardless of if it is or isn't correct - the negative feelings of the nerfs we've done have really left a sour taste in people's mouth (and I can understand that).

What this means, is it's going to be even harder to get usable feedback because it's going to be a lot of frustration and anger (Hostile Miku finally lost it with the idea of another Sona nerf!). It's very, very clear to me that this will anger people - I get that.

I also want to be clear, while I'm signing off on this stuff, this is the recommendation my experts are making - and their analysis checks out. I'll ask them to come give it in person on the forums if we do decide to hit Sona so there's more context. That won't solve the anger problem (you can't out-logic emotion), but maybe at least make it understandable.

It's tough, because in cases like this we have to make a choice between making players mad or doing what makes the game better and more balanced. Making players mad isn't something we like to do, but sometimes it is something we have to do.

What I will say is, if we do push supports out, we'll get them back in - just like we did with Sona. We'll just be faster next time Out goal is not to push them out, but it's also not OK to have only Sona/Janna/Soraka used (this was literally six weeks ago in NA finals). If Sona is pushing out Lulu, Janna, and Soraka, that's as much of a problem as if it Leona or Blitz were doing it.

Originally Posted by Genspirit

but its ok to have only ez, graves, and corki used

makes sense

Originally Posted by Genspirit

but its ok to have only ez, graves, and corki used

makes sense