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Pinkie Pies plot ?? Junior Member
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10-16-2012

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
Just asked about this.

You guys ready for super downvote power?

Sona too strong, elbows out others. :x
Sona is pure support theres no reason to nerf healers

 
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10-16-2012

Dear Mister Sir Lead Discontent Mighty Wielder of The Suppreme Nerfbat (),
General Forum Population,

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
We will make a new support soon, and will be making more.
Well, if you do not release a fully botlane compatible support well above Karma tier this year, I will absolutely consider it a purposefully broken promise. I mean, 2 supports a year is not very much given that it's a role that is picked by two players in almost every match (with the exception of low level games). And since Karma sucks (and btw, she sucks longer than Eve did. Let that sink in) and Lulu is kinda underpowered, the only support you are likely to see in botlane, and that you could not have played when Sona was released over two years ago, is Leona.
You had enough time to design another support. If you don't make it to release one this year, it's because you did not try hard enough or not early enough. I know that designing supports is hard and things can happen, but I also remember a post in August that "there is still enough time to make one". That sounded very much like many students do their term papers, and the results are not unlikely to be the same
We are not there yet, so no reason for me to hate. For now

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[Re:Sona nerfs] I don't think there's a valid conversation to have here - I've talked it to death (with reasoning), and I know it feels really bad, even if it is correct

If it does, in fact, push support out of the game, we'll fix it and be quick about it - I can say that much. It's not our goal. But at this time, there's no reason to believe Soraka and Janna are weak (though if we stop seeing traditional support or heavy favor of kill support, we'll go back towards where we are/were).
I agree that Sona is quite strong and might need some nurfings. I also think that some of your difficulty with the support balance stems from the gold starvation meta. Consider this: At level one, nobody has any particular power from items. So very minuscule differences in base stats and the first skills can have a huge impact. Also, the power increase granted by the first few level ups is very large compared to, say, from level 17 to level 18. After the first few levels, differences in itemization begin to take over. If both you and you top lane partner both have a glacial shroud, nobody cares about a difference of 5 in starting armor. In bot lane, the situation is different. It is a duo lane, so players level up slower, and one of each team effectively gets no items at all. Hence, the differences in base stats/low level skills and minuscule level differences carry much farther.
If supports are now allowed to actually have (some) gold and to increase the individual power level via items, this might level the playing field some. It will also reduce some of the problems with scaling. How often has it happened that a support would actually be played at another lane and found out to be extremely strong due to the (gold-starvation-induced) high base stats, now suddenly coupled with real scaling items? The answer was always a direct nerf to AP ratios (just look up the old ratios for Sona or Soraka for funzies), a hit to base stats, or both (cf. Lulu). If supports now are actually supposed to have some scaling from items, that effect should be far less important. At least it's my hope, and I am really excited for the support gold change.
Also, the general perceived power level of supports might go up, so you can actually wield the nerfbat without a general outcry if there is a problem. So no pressure. Not at all.

Cheers!

 
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10-16-2012

i understand that ap mid is the meta but you used to be able to take an adc to mid and do well, till they decided that MF was to powerful with double up...i mean, they changed the meta to the EU meta where its AP vs AP >.>

 
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Bakabridget ?? Senior Member
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10-16-2012

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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
Just asked about this.

You guys ready for super downvote power?

Sona too strong, elbows out others. :x
Sona definitely isn't too strong. Others are just too weak. Stop going out of your way to kill supports. No wonder people don't like to play the role.

 
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Morello Morello's Avatar ?? Lead Content Designer
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10-16-2012

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Sona definitely isn't too strong. Others are just too weak. Stop going out of your way to kill supports. No wonder people don't like to play the role.
Gonna focus on the Sona discussion in other threads to let this go back to more of an AMA.

Here's the thing on Sona;

* If we nerf, we'll triple-check it and make sure we're really careful.
* If we nerf and overnerf, we'll fix quickly.
* I'll get the team to do a pass on Soraka/Janna/Lulu and Blitz/Ali (too stronk) to be sure.

I understand the concerns - they make sense, so we'll take extra care with this.

 
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10-16-2012

An AMA, eh?

Regardless of whether you prefer pancakes, waffles, or french toast with breakfast, what is your stance on eggs?

Surely you wouldn't eat your own spawn, Mr Bird?

 
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10-16-2012

I just want season 2 to end already so I can get my new goodies.

Gaudy, tasteless skin? Check. Jungle remake? Check. Tons of new items? Gonna be balllller. Is all this stuff coming out at the same time?

 
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10-16-2012

@Morello, overnerfing is a big problem Riot has that isn't just for the support role. Take that kind of care with every nerf you make.

Champions like Gangplank, Shaco, Akali and Urgot (holy **** I feel so bad for Urgot players) are crying out for love.

 
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imweasel09 ?? Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
Gonna focus on the Sona discussion in other threads to let this go back to more of an AMA.

Here's the thing on Sona;

* If we nerf, we'll triple-check it and make sure we're really careful.
* If we nerf and overnerf, we'll fix quickly.
* I'll get the team to do a pass on Soraka/Janna/Lulu and Blitz/Ali (too stronk) to be sure.

I understand the concerns - they make sense, so we'll take extra care with this.
So does this mean there are going to be blitzcrank nerfs? With the was his kit is I'd almost be more worried about him being overnerfed than sona since he's basically a 1 trick pony.

 
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Professor Maple ?? Recruiter
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10-16-2012

This thread has derailed to a Sona discussion :-/ I was really enjoying the game design insight.

Morello are you able to answer any of my questions from http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...php?p=30260580 you have skipped it in all the hubbub :P