I've been loving Veigar recently. It's funny because I am quoted as saying "I hate that guy. He is useless." But my friends like when i play him because i wreck face. HADOKEN!

On to business -

I came here because I was curious about runes. Thanks for that info. I've been playing with some stuff. Cooldowns and AP mostly. Blue AP, yellow cooldowns, and red ive been switching to magic pen. Seems like you get more bang for your buck on the red magic pen. Cooldown is nice since I am busy and often dont get golem buff and havent been thinking of using elixir.

I am religious about the baleful strike. I farm hard with it trying to get as much free AP as I can. And it misleads the opponents alot. They underestimate my damage and play style. Then suddenly I turn on them and BOOM they didnt know i hit that hard. And can combo baleful -> stun -> baleful -> dark matter and kill them from half life.

Items I build -

1. Sapphire. Mana + Health Pot. (this versatility allows me to pick either tear or egg depending on what the game and money situation is... prefer egg first always)

2. Boots (I use mobility a lot... maybe im bad but i only get sorc if they have lots of magic def)

3. Tear - I usually have mana issues without it. (egg if tear first)

- I have usually 50-60 AP at this point no AP items -

4. Soul Stealer!! I like it. I hit hard.

5. Rod of Ages

6. Staff of the archangel

- i have 500 AP here even without zhonya's -

7. eventually zhonya's

I do change up a void staff around soulstealer time if they have several heroes with Magic Def over 100. I custom to the builds and flow of the game a lot but this si my general pattern. Most games i roll about 10 - 2 like this.

Ohh and spells teleport / flash. Flash to kill and to get away! (until the nerf then exhaust)

I tried out a game the other day, rushing my rod of ages before thinking about Tear or Boots. Had some serious mana issues (was using a full force page, so maybe it can make some difference getting some mana runes?) I think I have the same problem the few times I go Chalice as well, although its few and far between I actually have to.

I have a question though, and maybe its just my fault, but sometimes when I get a stun off, i quickly hit Matter/Baleful/Primordial for a quick kill or a setup for a teammate. Problem is when I do hit it that fast, it doesn't show my Primordial on cooldown, leaving me no way of knowing when I can melt someones face with it again. Is the problem my speedy fingers, or is this an issue other Veigars have?

Hey there Roku, great guide first off. I'm an avid veigar player too, he's a great caster and has some skill to face or run from anyone, and a team stun O.o...

Couple of differences when I've played veigar though... just for general 2cents worth

1. I never get sorc boots, well, almost never on any caster... I get the mastery for 15magic pen, is it archaic knowledge or something? takes 9 mastery points... which is the same as the sorc boots. then i make up rest of magic pen in game with either void staff for enemies with more than 100 magic res, or abysmal for those with less. I much rather mercury's boots for shorter stuns and slows on me, and shorter stuns = more survival and more casting or dodge boots with dodge runes if vs. dps heroes.

2. skill build much the same, max baleful and last hit like crazy, but i only get 1 of dark matter early, the rest i max out horizon next... i love the long stun time, awesome for escaping early game ganks / trapping enemies by tower getting pwned, etc.. personal preference i guess, i use the stun time rather than hit/miss darkmatter so teammates can wail on them too. dark matter lategame is awesome though.

3. I use rod of ages situationally. I'm a fan of soulstealer, veigar is made for ap boosts from killing ppl, 2 of his skills focus on that. Rod is excellent for HP boost, but i tend to get it vs ppl like chogath or blitzcrank or other tanks where HP and long teamfights is a must. otherwise, I tend to rely or mercury's for less stun time and flash and running in casting and running out, rather than hp. prefer full on mass ap items, or magic pen first, like archangel's or void, and just outdamage and kill them before they kill me kinda thing. if i find i need HP late game where its no point getting rod of ages, i use the cat for banshee's instead. skipping rod if i dont need it allows me to zhonya's earlier, and that gives a huge % based ap rise, so 80ap from ROA at 45 min, or 200-225 ap from zhonya's at 45min (based on 300-400 ap from other items/runes/balefuls/primordials).. style of play i guess

Just a few comments, take or leave . Usually manage twice the kills as deaths, or good games 5 times the kills as deaths, if we have a good tank. I gotta try the AP runes though, sounds like a good boost.

P.S. As far as running through horizon stuns, I've only seen that when the enemy is wearing a banshee's, or sivir's shield, watch for it and spam a baleful first, stun is worth more than baleful dmg imo, especially in teamfights.

Past couple days I've been rushing the Chalice of Harmony, then building normally. Have really enjoyed the ability to sit in lane and spam, getting most of the last hits on minions with Baleful without worry of needing to hold any mana in reserve for a stun.

Normally have been sitting at around 40-50 AP just from Baleful spam before buying a single AP item. And then the AP just starts to snowball.

Well, first off. This is a fantastic guide, I have used it to ease into Veigar. You explain a lot of things most guides choose to leave out in order to conserve length.

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Originally Posted by Isamaru This might seem a little strange but did you ever think about trying a couple mana regen items from runes so you never even need to make a mana starting item and you can just rush right into rod. I tried this with just 3 mana regen runes and the rest ap. in the end i ended up with more ap then usual because i had time to actually make almost my full list. (50 min in) My build went as follows: mana crystal, health potion mana potion catalyst Sorcerer's Rod elixir of brilliance Soul steal elixir of brilliance void staff elixir of brilliance zohonya's elixir of brilliance lich bane (didnt have time for lich but thats what my next item would have been) I remember you not wanting soul stealer for the simple reason that you had no way to fit it into your builds but that you would love to if you had the room. by making enough mana regen early game you can skip over tear and arch staff and go for as much ap as possible while keeping your health and mana still high. this coupled with the fact that soul stealer is a rather cheap item makes it a great ap replacement for your lost rune ap. i will be doing more testing but i am starting to think it might be a good idea to explore a mix and match of runes to come up with the best early / late game rune set for veigar. If you get soul stealer early game then you wont have to worry so much about how meny runes have ap and more about how your runes can help early game. let me know what you think. Isamaru