what about mages !!! spell vamp is too weak....


new soraka passive... can now see invisible units...

Any words about spell vamp overall ? You pretty much ruined Hextech and Wota based teams ( i.e kennen vlad double wota ) by nerfing hextech and wota twice in a row. Casters also suffered from this nerf ...

holy god garen

does madred work like black cleaver ? working on abilities too ?

I think he was talking about this, from Morello:

PS: Big fan of yours, Xyph.

So what are your goals for early game laning in regard to Armor vs. Ar.Pen? Is early Ar.Pen not intended to be the counter to early game Armor Stacking?

If not, what options do characters like Talon and Riven have in lane vs. Early Armor Stackers?

but flat reduction is done after percent reduction?

HA!
Just pay attention to what you are doing and make sure you don't give someone wukong-esque armor shred and aoe potential ( who has the slipperness to pull it off) AND percentage health damage. In other words, wukong isn't a problem because if he is built this way he obviously caters his damage to a specific kind of target.

I can't think of anyone who has high percentage health damage, and armor shred.
The only champs with percentage health damage are:
vayne
kog
elise
brand
amumu
eve
fizz
lee sin
nasus
xin zhao
warwick

and the only ones that would pose a problem with balance are those that have some innate armor shred and some way to deal with high hp low armor targets. For example,

Xin zhao could possible handle a high health low armor meat shield by chunking them with his ult. He might not be able to duel them, but he can still do enough damage to them with his ult that it doesn't seem like building high amounts of health and low amounts of armor counter his armor shredding ways. Remember that challenged targets are armor shredded by 15% too.

Lee sin has enough mobility to escape any duel that he doesn't want to be a part of, and damage that scales up with the opponents health as they lose it; therefore, all he needs is enough sustain to overcome his health stacking opponent over time. And he has that. In lee sin's case, he doesn't really have armor shred, but he can afford to flat out stack armor penetration and reduction of all kinds without really worrying about being countered.

Hey,

It seems like much of the changes intended for season 3 are to allow for variety with builds and champions. Do these specific changes (and the other changes intended) spill into adjusting variety for runes? I hadn't seen much mention if it other than the broad adjustments to armor/magic resistance. This has always felt like a "stale" portion of the game, where the consequences are just too great if you don't take the early armor/magic resistance runes for the lane opponent that you are facing.

Thanks!

We may potentially have to go back and look at characters like Xerath / Darius - but honestly, I question whether or not building Armor against Darius worked in the first place and Xerath will basically kill whoever he wants once every 60 seconds.

Flat Penetration can't counter early game armor stacking. In fact, Flat Penetration currently *loses* to early armor stacking. Chain Vest > All the Penetration you can buy ever.

Physical % Max Health damage characters won't be any more abusive than if they had just gotten a Last Whisper. And if they have both - well, they're paying for it in other ways - such as having lower AD than a full IE or BT build for example.