i do and i don't like the new map :/
i like it because it was new, (and new things are exciting),
but the main thing for me that made my opinion change on the new map was:
1. the colors are dull
2. the game can change instantly
3. after the games on the new 3's map i didn't feel like i accomplished anything
4.champions are still very weak or still very op.

RIOT i have alot of memories with the old TT, the first game i ever played was with Soraka on that map and i fed like crazy because i didn't know anything!

I just want it to be aware that alot of people have memories on that map and it will be forever missed. Please have a second thought on what you are doing!

Kitsune,

You are using predetermined logic.
I.e. you already decided what the outcome of your logic would be and made it fit.

We are not asking for a step back. Not at all. We are asking for both maps.

by giving a new impala and hence a shiny new car, that's great! Maybe we'll buy one.

But, I wonder if they came out with a new car and then overnight took all the old impalas out of peoples driveways and replaced them with the new ones and said "look, its better its what you asked for..." Ah no. We did not ask for a shiny new car that is so full of mechanical defects it is essentially a Lemon. And we never asked for less maps or maps at status quo. We want more maps, more choice. More bang for our buck.

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Originally Posted by Kitsune Senpai I don't want to argue this point further. I will now defeat you with your own name. The logical fallacy presented in my opponents case is the fallacy known as the bandwagon which is: Appealing to popularity or the fact that more people like/do something as an attempt at validation. This is not true it breaks one of logic's oh so sacred rules. The second issue here is your mis-persecption of time, I'm sorry but my skills in debate are not great enough to find the fallacy for this one. You believe, or your last statement leads me to believe that you.... believe, that this hasn't already happened. It has. You it is not 2013 but the 2013 Chevy Impala has been designed, you can't change that now, it's hit the show room floor, or should shortly. This has been made from a design perspective it exists and is the next step in design, period. To further this argument this beta is out, the public has seen it and we can no longer go back on this, we can only take pieces. Progress marches forward and we have little control of that. This is done. The decision has been made. You cannot argue or talk from a perspective of something that is over. You can't say after you bomb Japan that we should go back on the decision. The design of this map was not conducive to the idea that it was based off of. Riot argues that this map is everything they wanted in TT originally and you argue that this map hasn't happened and ignore the design document, the original idea about this fast paced gank heavy game type.

I love how he said it's still twisted tree line. No it's nothing like it.

I like the new "shadow isles" better. But still... what he said is so untrue.

Hey Phallicies,

I'm at a loss here. I admit, I must, have clouded logic as Geek suggests. The general debate goes like this.

TT Community: "Riot thank you for the new map but A lot (most?) of us prefer the old one. This new one does not have the same vibe".

Minority Response: "Stop complaining and give us feedback as to why".

TT Community: "We'll here are 20 or so things we don't like. But mostly its the hyper aggressive play style this map caters to".

Minority: "The map is new give it a chance to get better. Besides you're just afraid of change."

TTers: "We are not afraid of change. We like progress. But this is not what we asked for. This is something completely different.

Minority:" Too bad then. Get over it. the new map is way better."

TTers: "O.k. fine, if you like the old map, please play that and have fun! We won't try to convince you the new map is not better for you, please don't try to convince us the new one is better for us - how about we make everyone happy and have both maps?".

Minority and RIOT: "Sorry, we can only have one map, because having two would split the community"

TTers: "Ah Hello? The community is already split and in a significantly worse way than if you kept both maps. Please let us play on the old map or we won't want to support RIOT".

Minority (said) and Riot (inferred). "To be honest, the TT community is too small for us to really care if you are unhappy or not. You're just going to have to work with us to make the New map more palatable, it's your only option."

Folks, even if you LOVE the new map and even if you believe that in a community of 13 million players 5 maps is too many. How can you not advocate for variety, choice and good customer service?

It boggles my mind. It's true I am very confused that people think having the Classic TT, at least in custom games would be harmful to the TT community.

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Originally Posted by Phallicies This is what i was trying to get across, we aren't trying to move backwards, more maps and more choices is all we ever wanted, we never argued 3's had some issues, but if everyone used them, it no longer became an issue, more of a strategy. its why currently Darius is Darius tier in new 3's. he's part of the strategy though he's an issue, same with turtling and other old strategies. Simply replacing it all together is not the solution, keep modifying it in small amounts so you still know its the same thing. so eventually that 2010 chevy impalla becomes the 2013 by replacing the parts one/two at a time.

If the only things wrong with original TT were turtling and random jungle camps, why not just add a wall in original TT and make the jungle camps more structured?


Nah let's scrap the whole thing and make Dominion 2.0. Then when everybody gets bored of that like they got bored of Dominion let's do the same thing all over again.