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Okay guys, here's what we do about Katarina's animation removal

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LittleKanji ?? Junior Member
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12-07-2012

What's funny about this whole thing is that Morello already knows a lot of people like the skin and probably willing to buy it but he says no...

 
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Morello Morello's Avatar ?? Lead Content Designer
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Originally Posted by PermaJinxed View Post
Morello, ignore the trolls and answer the important question.
Since you are removing the animation, are you replacing it with a new unique animation or keeping her default?

I you are keeping the default, then I'd suggest you take your own suggestion and go tongue-in-cheek humorous and re-add the animation with the fall at the end.
Fresh particals is a good thing but honestly, I hate Kat's recall and a unique one was the one thing really pushing me to this skin.
I don't hate the orange hair, I think it's fine, and I get the tongue-in-cheek sexiness you went for there, but you yourself already gave a good way to take this very popular animation and keep it in line with the theme of the skin.

On a side note, why not give holiday skins to champions without in excess of 5 skins already?
Viegar had a holiday skin THIS year already. Ziggs I can see, Fiddle, meh, but Kat has had numerous skins already, the effort put to this should have gone to other lesser-skinned champions.
Just found out we ARE able to do a new animation. What is up in the air still. Don't wanna remove value.

 
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Le Misérable ?? Senior Member
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12-07-2012

Katarina = a stripper ?

 
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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
No, I'm saying when comparing MF's and Kat's bases (not their skin lineups).

Kitty Kat Kat = sexy first.

High Command Katarina = Serious badass first

Christmas Kat = fun/lighthearted first.

But fun and lighthearted is exactly what the recall animation is. The Christmas skins are meant to be whimsical. Ziggs is building snowmen, not blowing things up. Let Kat express her sensual side at Christmas -- kinda like when your girlfriend puts on a special Xmas outfit and surprises you.

 
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Economicz ?? Senior Member
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12-07-2012

On a related note to skins not fitting themes
I don't think having Ezreal's normal portrait on Pulsefire Ezreal fits with the theme.
Especially after the official promo video for the skin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEcDy7wvl1k

 
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What's funny about this whole thing is that Morello already knows a lot of people like the skin and probably willing to buy it but he says no...
Not willing to prioritize short-term gains (sales) over total product quality.

 
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Morello - here's my problem with the skin.

First of all, right from the get go, the skin doesn't fit Kat. It's pretty much a carbon copy of the Christmas MF skin, which as one of the people who owns the MF skin, is kind of irritating.

Second of all, you say that sexuality isn't the main goal with this skin. However, this is only a loosely "Christmas themed" skin. What I mean by this is that that outfit is something my girlfriend would wear for me to have "fun" in. The fact that it's red and has white trim is only coincidental - she's wearing what most people would consider stripper clothes. As such, the stripper pole is TOTALLY appropriate for the skin.

NOW - maybe that's not appropriate for Kat as a character. I actually agree with you there. But if my girlfriend dressed for me in that outfit for Christmas and wasn't willing to dance on a red and white candy cane pole, I'd be quite surprised, which is why I'm surprised at you right now.

Again, maybe the whole skin doesn't really fit Kat - which is fine. If that's the case, make another Kat skin, clean up Christmas MF (particularly the splash art - augh), and give her the pole animation instead.

Otherwise, if you're planning on keeping the Kat skin as-is, to say the pole is out of character is very very bizarre.
Best post.

Whether the skin fits Kat or her personality itself, the skin itself is pretty sexual.
So if they're going to keep the skin itself at all, then regardless of whether it fits Katarina's attitude itself, saying the pole doesn't fit the overall sexy theme seems...wrong.

Take a look at Surprise Party Fiddlesticks. That guy is the last guy you'd expect to be head of a party. But that's the theme of the skin, so even though confetti and horn honks and party hats are very un-Fiddle, they made their ways into the skin because they fit the actual theme.

It's not about the character, it's about the theme.
Her skin is sexy. Not sure why pole doesn't fit.

tbh, I like skins that put new twists on characters anyway. So Katarina isn't normally outwardly sexy, so what? Let's have fun with her. I don't think Riven is very outwardly sexual, probably even less than Katarina. But we had fun with her and put her in a playboy bunny suit, and it was k.

 
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Just found out we ARE able to do a new animation. What is up in the air still. Don't wanna remove value.
so i guess thats a no to my worker elf kat?

 
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Originally Posted by Morello View Post
No, I'm saying when comparing MF's and Kat's bases (not their skin lineups).

Kitty Kat Kat = sexy first.

High Command Katarina = Serious badass first

Christmas Kat = fun/lighthearted first.
Then we would need to wait until we see the finished skin. Because at this point I don't see where is the fun or lighthearted part. And that would be sad because a fun skin is the only one Kat doesn't have.

 
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Go read forum posts, Ironstylus who is a very likeable Rioter IS STILL apologizing for Diana's second skin showing skin.
Is he apologizing for her skin showing skin (heh)? I thought he was apologizing for the removal of her headpiece. Honestly though, you can't blame him for that. Diana was sold very much as a serious badass all armoured chick, so when you give that champ a sexy skin, it kinda diminishes the original idea. Though, personally, I actually liked Dark Valkyrie Diana, as it at least made a matching pair with Valkyrie Leona (and showed considerably less skin than Valkyrie Leona did).
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Sexy is something that has been very unpopular among Rioters on these forums for the last half year or so. The last unapologetically sexy thing Riot gave the community was Bunny Girl Riven...which was designed by the community and was the most popular forum thread ever...because the community, likes, sexy, things.
No, sexy hasn't been unpopular. Rioters defend sexy constantly. What's been unpopular is 'ALL SEXY ALL THE TIME!' and sexy looks for champs for whom sexy feels out of place (Diana, Riven, etc.) In other words, when the vast majority of female champs are sexy to the point that they all start looking the same (and as an image floating around comparing Zyra/Dark Valkyrie Diana/Syndra/Elise showed, they WERE all starting to look the same), THAT'S when there's a problem, and THAT'S what Riot was apologizing for. Variety is not a bad thing.