i dont know if your serious or sarcastic, but i'm gunna go with sarcastic.
|if you do atma's and health then you can do some damage and be tanky enough to last|
|I think the main thing holding her back is the items as she really needs an armor or ap build with attack speed|
|I just picked her up recently and I find her ganks aren't to great in the laning phase. I think her clear time is a little slower than udyrs but she has more tankyness, but perhaps less dps|
No I'm just pointing out various things I have seen posted in this thread that are completely and totally wrong. You don't need atma's on Shyvana to get damage+tanky Witz End+Frozen Mallet provide plenty of both, while also providing some CC.
I see people saying Warmogs and then complaining about not having CC when Randuins Omen and sitting there saying "hey I give you health and armor and AoE CC which works great when you dive into the middle of the enemy team while getting an armor+MR boost that will increase my duration."
I see people talking about ganking with the single best counter jungler in the game, yes that is exactly what she is, as if she was Naut, or skarner. She is better at counter jungling than Mundo who's first clear damn near sends him back, she's better than Udyr who will have to depend on Phoenix for fast clears which reduces his ability to 1v1 people, she is better than Noc who is restricted on mana without blue, and has no escape, at least at 6 Shyvana can dragon to escape. Long story short no champ in the game beats Shyvana in a straight up 1v1 fight in the jungle, and if you are complaining about getting kited and losing jungle fights that way STOP CHASING it really isn't that hard. If they leave and try to kite just take their jungle and go on your merry way.
I have seen no mention of her speed around the map and her ability to completely dominate map control through wards and oracles, I have seen no mention of her ability to safely solo dragons as soon as wriggles is completed, I see no mention of how strong her turret dives can be with her ult. In fact all the things about her that makes her absolutely amazing are no where to be seen in this thread.
All I see is a bunch of people describing how they are badly building her and incorrectly playing her and then complaining she is weak. I'm willing to bet if you built Graves AP he would be terrible to but that doesn't make him outdated or in need of a change.