And when that fails we have pick order.

Hashinshin seems mad.

And I don't think Rioters are saying pick order doesn't matter. What they are saying is that cooperation is important, and the notion that pick order obviates the need for cooperation is downright idiotic. First pick should be communicating and compromising with his team, and if he is not, he is making his team lose just as much as the jackass who last picks Yorick instead of an adc.

Incidentally, you used the verb "troll" in your post while mad. This is not the first time that you've posted something stupid either to the forums or to RoG. Get over yourself.

The problem with the no stance is that it's anarchy where the person who is more forceful with their desired role will get it or at least force a queue dodge.

Ideally I think everyone knows that communication is good. But for some people who will only do one thing they will get that one thing or they will ruin the game which holds the other 4 people hostage.

So, in the following game someone who was bullied out of their role by a jerk will be a jerk because they know that's how they get what they want. It's a really really annoying part of finding the game and would be easy if riot just added a votekick option or took a real stance.

I think being forced into a position that you don't want to play is a worse offense than letting people pick the champ they want. To me it's more of a waste of time playing someone you don't want to play than it is making due with a team who picks for fun. There are other options than the typical "meta" - why is everyone so afraid to think outside the box? Doesn't it ever get old doing the same thing over and over again?

You'd have better luck putting your faith in a certain monster comprised mostly of a certain kinda pasta.

The Naivety.

There will be no understanding without direction. You'll figure it out eventually. I've said it before I'll say it again. There's a boiling point that will soon be reached the question is how will you deal with it when it comes.

Have you played matches at Bronze and Silver lately? Champion select is basically nonsensical insult throwing before communication even has a chance to start and god help you if you lock a top laner instead of the last pick who's been raging and cursing everyone out already from the time the lobby opened.

The reason queue dodges went up exponentially during S2 was because we had a way to avoid these people instead of taking ELO losses. Now, we're stuck with them.

You have faith that an internet community is mature...

You sure about that? >>

How well do you think someone who claims to be terrible at support will do at support? Do you really want to have that person playing their worst role?

Let me give an example for those who want a structured system.

Person 1 and 2 call mid. Here is the right thing to do. Ask each other what other roles they are good at. Decide together which one should play mid, considering team composition and counter picking. If one of the players states a role that has not yet been filled as a secondary role they are good at, then this becomes easy.

Straight from the summoners code:

Being a good team player begins at champion select. Be open minded when considering the needs of your team. If you’re the last one to pick, try to fill a niche in your team that hasn’t already been filled. If everyone’s picked and something stands out as a deficiency in your team composition, try asking for another player to fill the gap, or change roles to embrace that responsibility yourself. Remember, that by taking on a role you don’t normally play, you’ll learn more about unfamiliar champions and increase your own skill level.