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Has he? Is that just his forum name or his in-game summoner name as well?

Regardless, I assume most people are pretty familiar with Riot employees. I wouldn't be caught dead being uncooperative in champion select with a summoner named Morello for instance.

But it's clearly not. If one person is not yielding despite conversation then that person is a problem, even if the other 4 can change roles. Riot acts like all the discussion happens before we pick champs, but I find that often the troll that says I can't sup I need mid is discussing his inability to contribute in ranked games after others have picked their champs.

Playing a mid like Diana you can easily compromise and choose another roll, play Ahri mid and have the "mid because I can't sup" doesn't work anymore.

It takes 5 people working together to create harmony, not 4, not 3, not less, all 5 or it is completely lost. It takes rules to create order. We currently have Riot stressing harmony that simply doesn't exist in 20% of the games and refuses the other option of order.

Since harmony won't happen can we just have a stupid rule so we can have order?

well, its a damn good thing that riot has no control over tribunal punishments, and when they start getting a ton of cards saying the community wants people banned for call racing riot will have to change their stance.

Im making sure to punish on pick trollers, how about you?

kid blew that statement out of the water at one fell swoop

Yup. The nice thing is that if pick order is reinforced, there's still avenues of communication. Like if you want to top as first pick and Amumu is left open, you can still take Amumu and trade it off with someone else among you who you work with who's willing to jungle.

Pick order quite frankly is the most fair. Everyone will have times at the top, bottom, and everywhere in between. Enforcing pick order also still leaves communication on the table. If they enforced that and gave us a way to report Champ Select chat behavior, ranked would clean itself up and become a less toxic and more competitive environment fast.

Lets consider a system where role picking is allowed. In WOW you could randomly queue for a dungeon as either a tank, healer, or 1 of the 3 ever popular DPS. If you chose to play a tank or a healer you would generally be rewarded by much short queue times. This resulted in a self correcting system where although few players wanted to stress of healing or tanking, those who took on that role received a reward for playing them -- shorter queues.

In LOL there are 5 positions to play; and some are more desirable to play then others. It's not an even mix, and players have strong preferences. But most are good citizens and will defer their preferred position to either a called request or an earlier pick.

But sometimes a player really wants to play something, and they dont get to for a game, or the next game, or the game after that. Now your team has an angry frustrated player who really wants to play a certain role. Only when they queue up another player on the team is just as upset, frustrated, and wants the same position. It happens so much more because of the increased popularity of certain positions; and it results in conflict over what positions get played because being forced to defer multiple times causes aggravation and strife.

I think riots position that everyone should just come to a mutual understanding about whats best for the team is incredibly naive and flawed. It works "most" of the time; but there is huge room for improvement. You can throw out all the happy scenarios you want, but your just in denial that angry frustrated players wanting to play the same role will collide in selection.

The reality is, we would need to make structural changes to the game flow to enforce either side. It would be dumb to take a stance on this issue but still allow people to operate as if that stance did not exist.

It's not like we fundamentally agree there should be confusion and anarchy every champion select. We agree it's not fun to "negotiate" fun.

Seriously though, nothing against you personally Griftrix, but I don't even read your posts on red tracker anymore...

His in game summoner name is "Griftrix" and nothing more. People have brought this argument to Grif multiple times, and each time the response is the same:

1. He does not have Riot in his name in game
2. He hardly ever mentions he's a Rioter in game
3. There have been only a few times in game that people have openly recognized him as a Rioter.