Originally Posted by Phreak

You're thinking about it the wrong way. Hecarim's Q deals 16.6% more damage at rank 1. I don't care what kind of math you do it after that; it's dealing 16.6% more damage. His clear is faster.


Maybe a little. However, it was only ever up once on any given camp anyway, and you got to wait on the cooldown while you moved around between camps. Not really that concerned about this one.

Remember also that you're completely forgetting the fact that in anything before rank 3 of the ability, you're healing for more than before in every other situation, which definitely includes all the ganks you should be doing because... Well you're Hecarim. Let's be real. Fighting champions is like what that guy does.


You're referring to the "scraped" patch notes put up by fansites on the PBE? The ones that base their "patch notes" upon updates to the tooltips? We updated the tooltip because it was factually inaccurate.

Also, you're calling Spirit of Dread (Hecarim's W) his E. That kinda hurts your credibility man.

Originally Posted by Phreak

Honestly, yeah it is a nerf.

Originally Posted by Taliesin

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt regarding Dread's damage bugfix. But since Dread is at rank 1 until level 8, that's a damned long time you have to contend with that 16 second cooldown. And while you may only use it once for most camps, I used to use it twice for first red clear. Dragon will also be affected. And I imagine there'll be times now when you'll get to the next camp and it'll still be cooling down from the last.

It's a good thing that you'll be getting more health from ganks, because it's likely that you'll be coming out of the jungle with less health than before.

And thanks for catching the E/W thing, I accidentally referred to it as both in my post. Edited that. Doesn't change the fact that I have more games played as Hecarim than any other champion :/

Originally Posted by Cheeto101

his early ganks arn't exactly fantastic

Originally Posted by Glacialwrath

You're.... Challenging Phreak.... A known, high-tier jungler...

Originally Posted by lol I died again

Yes.
What's he gonna do about it?
Accept the challenge and try to beat me in-game?

Originally Posted by Matthevv

You are trolling right? You have got to be trolling or at least you have never played a single plat or diamond ranked game in the last few weeks. I think people forget that Riot balances for us high elo players as well as the normal elo players.

Originally Posted by Groxxy

Phreak I understand you're gonna be defensive, but do the math first before you comment. God knows the Riot Zealot army will do it and then shove it down your throat later.

I say that purely as advice.