Originally Posted by Xelnath

*deep breath*

Rengar, when winning, is extremely hard to deal with. He has free sustain, tons of damage and ton of survivability. I speak as a rengar top player that he's incredibly snowbally, much like classic riven. I say "when he gets the first kill" because he has the toolkit early game to do just that easily.

I find him viable top and I have a lot of fun playing him in that role. I win most of games when my jungler gets me the first kill. I lose games when I get bullied out.

Could he use some love? Perhaps. However, as a Rengar player, I find him fun, ambushy and super risky. Adding too much baseline power only would make him incredibly frustrating.

Originally Posted by RadiantWings

It's very, very easy to tell when Rengar is going to ult you. He jumps at you, chunks you to 50%, then suddenly prioritizes going off screen? Most of the time, I just activate R while I'm fighting and have it go off as his Q steroid ends. Going back gives too much time to react and possibly make you waste your ult which you can't afford to waste (140 second cooldown? Seriously?)

Maxing E is good vs. people you know you can zone, but for others it's not going to do much since the slow doesn't improve much per level. Most of the time, you'd be able to zone them by baiting their burst into a maxed W and run by slowing them after they dash/CC you.

The worst thing about maxing E, is that if the enemy is really sticky (like Irelia or Xin), you have to have an empowered E up to be able to get away, but that uses up your sustain while they have passive sustain on other sources, meaning they will ALWAYS come out on top.


Also, his first blood and snowball ability were neutered a long time ago. Remember double jump Rengar? That was so incredibly fun that I just feel like Rengar's missing a part of his soul without it, much like how Alistar doesn't function nearly as well without knowing his headbutt->pulverize combo.

Maybe it can return as part of bonetooth? That way it doesn't get out of hand early game, but still allows him to counter-zone those freaking annoying ranged top champions like Teemo/Jayce/Elise while maintaing relatively poor dueling capabilities vs. other common tops.

Originally Posted by RentalDeception

You've basically said twice in a row now "if you're winning, he's good" which applies to mostly every champ. Our point is that it's hard to win with him, he's pretty weak atm.

Originally Posted by Xelnath

In my last few games, I destroyed Ezreal in seconds. I would have felt bad... if he wasn't ... ya know... Ezreal.