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EmissaryShadow EmissaryShadow's Avatar ?? Emissary of the League
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11-24-2010

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If that's what they mean, then fine, I agree 100%. However, Reginald got banned for dying too often in a single game from what I understand. The said impact was that he "fed", didn't help his team, etc. Not like he left or anything (or maybe he did and I missed that part ?)
From what I understand his dying triggered a flame war on his team, Pendragon was watching the stream, and had multiple independent reports about the actions. And took appropriate action

Reginald doesn't have the most spotless record either.

 
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From what I understand his dying triggered a flame war on his team, Pendragon was watching the stream, and had multiple independent reports about the actions. And took appropriate action

Reginald doesn't have the most spotless record either.
His dying triggered a flame war on his team.

So, by dying, not on purpose mind you, but just, dying, incites my team to flame and have reprehensible behavior, I should be banned ?

 
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11-24-2010

Please clarify - how does saying impact > intent make it more difficult to ban or establish a dangerous precedent?

It's just like in court - you can tell the judge you didn't mean to rob the bank, but you will still probably get the sentence. On the other hand if it's jaywalking and you have a clean record, you'll probably get off.

It's like this - if you've left 30 games out of 100, it doesn't really matter if you're a rager or if you've had lightning strike your house 30 times. Either way you frequently harm the game experience for a lot of other people. Why does intent matter?

 
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11-24-2010

Bans apply differently to different people.

Look at forum bans on Kama Toki vs. Elementz, ASCII spam? Even though the forums have been overloaded with a certain gentleman dinosaur the past few days nothing was done to said ascii spammers.

 
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Please clarify - how does saying impact > intent make it more difficult to ban or establish a dangerous precedent?

It's just like in court - you can tell the judge you didn't mean to rob the bank, but you will still probably get the sentence. On the other hand if it's jaywalking and you have a clean record, you'll probably get off.

It's like this - if you've left 30 games out of 100, it doesn't really matter if you're a rager or if you've had lightning strike your house 30 times. Either way you frequently harm the game experience for a lot of other people. Why does intent matter?
Guinsoo(Bro), I agree 100%.

My point is on Reginald's ban, which was done last night. Someone said "Yeah but he didn't feed on purpose, he just died cuz he was playing a bad game" to which Pendragon replied "impact>intent". Now, if I understand correctly, that means that since he had an impact on the game, that's more important than his intent (which, in this case, his intent was NOT to feed but to play, he just had a bad game).

If he fed on purpose, raged and all, then said "I didn't mean to", then fine, I agree. But now, he died, not on purpose, that caused some backlash (especially given his status as an elite player), and he got banned. THAT'S the dangerous precedent; if I play a game, do my very best but end up having a really bad game where every decision I make is the wrong one (which happens, to almost anyone), then am I at risk of being banned, even though I am just having a bad game and not feeding on purpose ?

(On the subject of leaving and/or raging, that I agree, there's 0 excuses)

 
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11-24-2010

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If that's what they mean, then fine, I agree 100%. However, Reginald got banned for dying too often in a single game from what I understand. The said impact was that he "fed", didn't help his team, etc. Not like he left or anything (or maybe he did and I missed that part ?)
Eh, reginald didn't get banned for his playing really... I'm not going to get into it here, but I discussed it with him and you're welcome to talk to him about it.

He understands what he did.

Someone who leaves a game doesn't normally mean to ruin it for everyone else - they're just being selfish, but they should definitely be punished...

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