Taric's stun is actaully not a case of inconsistency. It's a closing mechanic, and it always stuns. So you get the interrupt no matter what, but you trade closing ability for damage later on. I think it works out pretty well.


well.. now you are being dramatic.

I don't agree 100% with your analysis but I agree that hybrid champions tend to be problematic except in a few cases.

It's a matter of how much damage it does and how frequently you can do it. At very high values, it clearly is terrible. At lower values, it's maybe okay. I think it's OK.

- Zileas

I don't know that I agree on toxic shot, because it promotes hit and run harassment gameplay and kiting gameplay. But I agree in general that these sorts of skills tend towards this pattern.

Yeah, I agree 100%.

Not so sure about this one.

Lightning rush -- yes absolutely, though the ult reduces the problems a lot by making this a stunfest mode he goes into from time to time. Kayle's auto attack - yes, but it's not severe. Gangplank does need a remake.

I think more of AE stuns as doing this, or maybe vlad's pool (almost). I think spray and pray is just OP.

True.

Yeah, it borders on it.

I don't agree here, killing the clone can be valid, and there are ways to observe its the clone.

Don't agree, players just dont choose either with it generally. Burden of knowledge could be applied though.

Depends on the strength. I think these are minor in the history of video games. Chain stuns feel more like this .

I dont agree on feast, because it gives reliable effects in certain situations that you can detect. Parrrley is getting remade to not be RNG, as is cannon barage. Stealth needs an overhaul, absoluteyl.

Zileas your the head of the design team so I know you know the answer to this. Why hasn't Blind Monk been released, whats the general problem with his kit? Is he generally too powerful to be released? Is he lacking in some way? Honestly now, it would be a great thing to give everyone a little bit of insight about. He was obviously a part of your original designs, it certainly seems you were ready to add him to the game.

Eh, I know I have fun decimating people with a well-placed Spray and Pray, but boy, this is the anti-fun for the three people that just got murdered with almost no way to effectively retaliate. I'd say Blitzcrank's Rocket Grab can be a case of this, too. I also think that probably falls under Burden of Knowledge; until you learn the very specific mechanics of his grab (and realize he can grab through walls), it's one of the most infuriating, overpowered-seeming skills in the game.

You can turn and fight (and probably get critted to death), or run and still get critted to death. It's kind of a Sophie's choice. Or it would be, if Tryndamere was any good.

On second thought, yeah, this probably applies to stuff like, say, Zilean chain-slowing. Snowball items basically embody this too, although I suppose that's the losing team's fault (getting one-shotted by Veigar or Annie sure sucks either way). Twitch's Spray and Pray used to be this when games went long, but not quite as much anymore.

Thank god on Gangplank. Is that happening next patch? I want so desperately for him to be worth playing.

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Random but possibly relevant question (similar to a question that an earlier commenter asked): Do you guys have specific "balance points" for each champion category? Like, is Annie the mage you balance other mages around, with regard to rough overall power level? What about tanks? Ranged carries? Support? Junglers?

Before the possibility of the removal of flash, will their be a functioning Test Realm for a larger audience, or will all of that testing be down in-house? I think something like that should be tested on a much larger scale before live implementation, imo.

I still dont like these anti-patterns... -.-
Cause of this many skills, like faceless voids ulti, wont be used in this game cause ppl need to learn how to use them, or rupture cause ppl need some knowledge about the game to understand this. This "we are focusing casual players" thing is making LoL more and more boring and unchallenging.
I, as an old dota player, can more or less master every champ really easily, and you can see while you are in game who played dota before LoL just by watching them play. But, this game is so beginner friendly, cause of all these anti-patterns, that even though I AM a better player than some ppl, they get to advance into higher ELO. Seeing how even though someone who doesnt deserve a win, but is playing some easy OP champ, wins a game, is anti-fun.

AND cause you are restricted by anti-patterns all champions have recycled abilities. And recycling wont balance this game. Sooner or later you will get some skill combo that will just be OP and you wont be able to fix it just by changing some number and than what will you do? Remake champion? Delete champion? Stop releasing champions? Its just stupid and im against this.

I used to play DotA (pub games), and the downright massive Burden of Knowledge barrier turned me off from it. That and the really crappy interface and unergonomic feeling of the whole thing. LoL was like a breath of fresh air, and I hope you guys keep up what you're doing for the most part.

@above poster:

Champs with higher skill ceilings are also champs with highly nuanced utility roles (and possibly higher damage potential). Anivia can stun, slow, wall off, debuff, etc multiple people, while Garen...silences one guy and then deals damage. The only difference is that Garen is the more reliable pick since it's easier for him to fulfill his (smaller) role.

Even though i played Dota for 5 or 6 years, with every new hero that was released came burden of knowledge, but i never had problem with it. It was logical to NOT KNOW how things work when you first start playing the game.

And you compare Anivia and Garen? How about LeBlanc and Garen? Or LeBlanc and Anivia? There isnt a single situation in which LeBlanc would be a better pick.